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Thought y’all might enjoy this ........

This is, always has been, and always will be the one correct response to the question of “what should my woman carry”. I would even go so far as to suggest something in the .32 department. Lots of old S&W J-frames out there in .32 long...Models 30 and 31. They are dandy little revolvers.

I'm just going to leave this here . Make sure your sound is turned on.

Now these two I really miss.....

I'd like to have a 6.5" 610. But not enough to pay $830 for it.

Pistol Caliber Revolvers I know somewhere on TGO is a thread hashing out the to have or not to have revolvers in 9mm 40 45 acp 10mm etc and the pic I posted is 3 of those. Charter Arms 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 acp.

Here are my wheelguns.

Back in the day, they didn't need to go through the performance center. The old Smith and Wessons couldn't be improved upon.

Well, lemme see what else I've got pictures of? My favorite carry revolver. S&W 3" Model 13-4 .357 Russian Model 1895 Nagant Revolver S&W 4th Model .44 Hand Ejector AKA Model of 1950 Military .44 Special S&W Model 15-3 .38 Special My camping/hiking gun. S&W Model 60-4 .38 Special. Custom built Model 28-2 converted to a 3" .45 Colt. Ok, that's all I have pics of.

My 27-2

I'm responding to your original post; don't care regarding any responses or advice given prior to my response. First, your horse has to be prepared for the retort of your gun fire, I would suggest you you look into how to train your horse to handle it. There are multiple resources regarding horse and and rodeo, look into it. I have neither the desire or inclination to do your home work. Second, a single action revolver is your best option due to the fail safes afforded by the mechanism. It will protect you you and your steed in the long run. I believe your inquiry is noble and has merit. Taking advantage of your second amendment right is paramount; doing it atop a horse requires a great deal of preparation and training that I cannot give you. Happy trails and best of luck https://www.fivestarranch.com/training/mounted-shooting/ here is one of many tutorials for your consideration Best Regards Rod

My suggestion would be to find a range with a good rental case and put as many different guns in her hands as possible.

I can add a little different one. Ruger speed six in 9mm

I was having a hard time getting my pride and joy to post up. Large frame 3" barrel Ruger Vaquero; 45 Colt; Super Blackhawk unflutted cylinder and hammer; custom checkered Ruger black micarta factory grips. Call her the Boarshead. She's a hand cannon made for the trail and when I'm fly fishing. Regards Rod

Let's keep this one going:

I planted 1.29 acres of eagle soybeans 1 week ago. They are coming up strong. I can't wait to see 5.5-6 foot soybeans. https://www.eagleseed.com/forage-soybeans.html

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Thanks to all the families that gave their young men and women to keep this world safer. To all those that have fallen, we have not forgotten you. Thanks to all the active men and women that stand in the gap to keep us all safe, may God bless you all!!

If you ever wondered how and when someone you knew died in Vietnam, this might be of interest. https://www.virtualwall.org/

Winchester Super X Model 1. Some consider the Model 1 the best auto loader ever made and I tend to agree with them. This Winchester has a 28” modified vent rib barrel (not a screwed down rib). Also comes with two extra barrels a 26” plain improved cylinder and a 24” shortened, ported with removable choke. I would rate this gun at 99% the bluing and wood finish is near perfect. The buffer and O-ring were replaced a few years ago just to freshen it up. These Winchester’s are getting hard to find in unmolested condition. I believe this was manufactured in the mid 70’s $600 with the two extra barrels Face to face in Murfreesboro

The top two are both 7.5" 3rd gen Colt SAA in 45 Colt. I like bleed guns but could not pass up the top one. It was just so shiny. The third one down is a USFA in 44 Special. I think it is the best looking of the group. I love the CCH frame. Now I just need to find some real ivory grips to fit it.

AND ALL WHO HAVE GIVEN BLOOD AND LIFE FOR HER. AMEN.

Finally a break in the monsoons! I plowed mine this morning, and you can sort of see some dirt again.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

There are millions of threads on here about the caliber wars. You just have to apply some physics coupled with common sense. I was trained, and I train the goal is not whether or not you can kill, the goal is to make the bad guy unwilling or unable to fire his weapon. A .22 can kill, but if it’s a body shot in a deadly armed encounter; it won’t do much for the goal. Before the “shot placement” guys start in….. that’s a given. Most any round can stop the threat if properly placed. Can someone that has probably never experienced that level of adrenalin rush in their life do that? You won’t know until it happens. You probably want a round that can expel a lot of energy in the body. Surface area and mass is the key to that. Only enough Velocity to do the job is required. So much velocity that the round passes through the body is not required. So, it sounds like, from what you are saying the choices are a .380, a heavy 9MM or a .38. I’ve been the responding Officer on a lot of shootings. Only one that I remember with a .380. The victim got shot in the gut. It was winter and he had heavy clothes on. He didn’t think he was hit and went after the shooter, who ran off. He was sitting on the curb when I got there and stood up and talked to me. As the put him on a gurney and loaded him into the ambulance, I told the EMT’s to tell the ER staff and I would be in to get that bullet. He said “You want this bullet?” And before they could stop him he picked it out of his gut and handed it to me. That coupled with my experience with seeing what .380’s will do, and the problems of being able to reliably operate an action, have formed my opinion. But that’s just one persons opinion. On the other hand, .22’s and 380’s have killed a lot of people. A J-Frame S&W or a Shield are popular small carry guns. I’d recommend she try a Shield with a Federal 9MM 147 Grain HST. Or J-frame Model 60 with a 130 grain JHP. A say a Model 60 because it is all stainless and the heaviest of the J-frames. The heavier the gun, the less felt recoil. The lightweight J-frames will be terrible. The Shield EZ is another option, but do your research. The .380EZ is plagued by feeding problems. I assumed it was because the .380 isn’t really a good round for operating a gun that big, but the 9mm recently came out and it appears to have the same problems. If she wants a house gun, that’s not a carry gun, have her shoot a S&W K or L frame with .38’s. They are cream puffs. You asked for “any feedback” this is simply mine, and many will disagree; but that okay. You and your wife are the only ones that will have to reap the results of your choice. As other said; let her try them and decide. Good luck with your search.

This. I have no issue with 380's, but I also understand it's limitations. It'll blow holes in 2x4 at close range and that's good enough for me. It's a "get off me" gun. While I have hit those spinning gopher targets at 25yds with my P3AT, I don't think of it being useful at more than 10 yds. The subcompact 380s really aren't much fun to shoot, so I wouldn't even go there with someone who's recoil sensitive. The bigger ones are far better in that regard.

i dont care where the gun is made ,if it shoots good it can be in my collection

I don’t know. I would love to have some Performance Center Revolvers from back in the day when PC meant something. But I have a PC M&P that I told the guys at S&W if it was ever in the Performance Center; in was on a cart passing through.

Performance Center Revolvers maybe?

I believe the 380 is perfectly adequate for self defense. I carry one often. However, most 380s are a straight blowback design. This makes for some nasty recoil. All steel guns such as the Walther PPK are easier, however you get back to the weight issue. There are a few locked breach designs in which the recoil is much lighter, such as the Colt Mustang and Sig P238. However, they're basically miniature 1911s and should be carried cocked and locked. Would she be good with that? You might try some different grips on your S&W 38. Grips can make a huge difference in felt recoil. There are also some light recoil .38 loads available. I believe Federal makes a 110 gr low recoil load. And as Hughd suggested, target wadcutters can also work. Another consideration might be a revolver in .32 caliber. Either .32 S&W Long, .32 Magnum or 327 Federal. While marginal, they can work. My wife had arthritis in her hands and her choice was a S&W Model 30 in .32 Long. She shot it very well and the recoil didn't bother her at all. As a bonus, guns in .32 Mag or 327 Fed will also take the shorter .32 long rounds if they prove to be too much. I personally believe the .32 acp is a highly under rated round. Again, its marginal, but it'll get the job done if you do your part. There are many good .32 acps available. Recently several distributors have been running specials on Police turn in Berettas at very good prices. If all else fails, there's always a .22. Ain't much, but its better than nothing. As also suggested, try as many different guns as possible. But above all, let her make the choice.

Very good guy, always has good stuff!

I posted a article many years ago, based on the lattitude Col. Cooper left in his definition of what constituted a "scout rifle". Here are two links, one on scoutrifle.org which is now a "sticky" and the other on my blog. Close inspection of Col. Coopers Scout Rifle Definition....scoutrifle.org Close Inspection of Col. Coopers Scout Rifle Definition...libertytreeblogs.blogspot.com The following is a copy and paste of my blog; don't worry "moderators" I get no financial compensation from the blog. I haven't posted in a long while, but that will change in the near future and I will not be using it for profit, just my way of giving back and moving it forward. The scoutrifle.org thread has a lot of responses that are good reading and will help clarify where Col. Cooper would ultimately land on the subject of red dot's and other long eye relief optics. I personally think that all are within the definition of what a "scout rifle" should be. I currently have three scout's; two chambered in 6.5x55 and one in .308. All use various Burris scopes; two using older 1.5x scout scopes and the other using a 2.0x handgun scope. At the time I built my first scout rifles there wasn't much available in IER and LER scopes; so I made do and am very happy with the combinations. They are pictured below. Best Regards Rod Liberty Tree Blog "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" - Thursday, April 21, 2011 Close Inspection of Jeff Coopers Scout Rifle Definition The dogma and misinterpretation surrounding the definition of the Scout rifle has bothered me for quite some time. So, I felt I needed to give my thoughts and observations regarding the scout concept and how I interpret Coopers beloved rifle. But first, let me toss a few comments out on the "guru" himself. Jeff Cooper spent his life developing shooters into marksmen. Whether it was a pistol or rifle, Mr. Cooper was dedicated to improving the craft and those who practice it. The "general purpose" or "practical rifle" was but one aspect and he defined it as this: "A general purpose rifle is a conveniently portable, individually operated firearm, capable of striking a single decisive blow, on a live target of up to 200 kilos in weight, at any distance at which the operator can shoot with the precision necessary to place a shot in a vital area of the target." Col. Jeff Cooper " To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth" Mr. Cooper was not interested in developing your skills for any narrow purpose such as long range, target, tactical, varmint, etc. His efforts were concentrated on developing shooters who could cleanly handle themselves in "all" situations. This definition was the start of a quest to develop the ultimate practical rifle, and the "scout rifle" was, in his mind and others, the perfection of the concept. I never knew or met Mr. Cooper, so I can only summize his intentions when it appeared his dogma regarding the "scout definition" would violate the principle(s) of his "general purpose rifle" concept. I believe the key lies with Coopers very definition of the scout rifle. Cooper, as we all know was a wordsmith of which few were equal; his definition contains both broad and specifics, which would allow the originator to narrowly define and the practitioner to build a rifle suitable for his/her needs. He was brilliant. In practice, he was generally forgiving and gave legitimacy to various forms of the scout rifle. In word, he kept to his dogma, I suppose out of fear the concept would loose relevance; or out of a need to keep the concept as pure as possible. Either way, it has allowed the scout concept to be discovered and applied by future generations of "riflemen". Again, not sure, and just an observation on my part. Now, lets move on to the "Scout Rifle" definition and my observations. Weight-sighted and slung: 3 kilograms (6.6 lb). This has been set as the ideal weight but the maximum has been stated as being 3.5 kilograms (7.7 lb). Surprisingly there is considerable wiggle room in the weight of the rifle. Here the words "set" "ideal" and "stated" are used. The word "set" denotes finality and "ideal" relates to perfection or "to attain". It means the rifle "can" weigh less or it "can" weigh more. But, the "ideal weight" will always be 6.6 lb; it is set. In order to keep the weight from getting to far from the ideal he "states" a maximum weight of 7.7 lb. A statement has no finality. It is merely what a person "says". A statement can be changed for further clarification; and Cooper did just that concerning the weight of his Steyr Scout. Essentially we really do not have a maximum weight by Coopers own definition. I believe this was Coopers way of keeping some level of control so weight would not stray to far from "ideal". Brilliant. So, what we have is a "ideal weight range" of between 6.6 lb - 7.7 lb that allows the rifle to weigh a little more or less outside the "ideal range". Length: one meter (39 inches) This is the only specification of the Scout concept or definition that is set. Not much to discuss here. I find it odd that the length is the spec few give much regard to. Most agree it shouldn't be longer, but if it is a little shorter I see no purists shouting "it ain't a scout". I figure it's because it's harder to make "length" rhyme with "fate". Nominal barrel length: 0.48 meter (19 inches) Cooper uses "nominal" twice in his definition. Nominal is quite possibly the most ambiguous word in the english language. It can be minimal, small, figurative, less than, meaningless, inconsequential, etc. Examples in use would include "The club has a nominal fee for entry"; "The candidate for office is a nominal choice"; "The queen of England is a nominal head of state". You notice Cooper did not use the word "ideal" here. That is because barrel length actually effects performance. I am sure barrel length was a hotly debated topic and I assume that most in the conference followed the 1980's conventional wisdom that barrels should be no less than 20" in length. Cooper was less dogmatic about barrel length; but was more concerned with practical results. I personally believe 19" was a compromise and his choice of "nominal" allows the barrel to be a little shorter or longer than 19" and most cases to err towards longer. Currently we know that shorter barrels do not effect practical results in a defensive rifle. So Cooper was yet brilliant again. 19" is "nominal" Sighting system: Typically a forward and low mounted (ahead of the action opening) long eye relief telescope of between 2x and 3x. Reserve iron sights desirable but not necessary. Iron sights of the ghost ring type, without a scope also qualify, as does a low powered conventional position scope. I am going suggest you read the above carefully. There are a lot of options here. As I understand it, the rifle can have a forward or conventionally mounted scope with or without iron sights. If you choose to have reserve iron sights there is no specification as to what type; you choose. If you do not want a scope on your scout it will qualify for a scout if it uses ghost ring aperture sights. If you use a telescope it should be of low power. Forward mounted scopes typically being 2x to 3x(fixed assumed); traditional mounted scopes of low power(low power is generally considered 1x to 4x fixed) Notice there is no mention of variable in the definition. In the 1980's low powered variables were few in number and Cooper considered a variable scope, because of it's typical high end magnification, a liability for dangerous game and self defense. But things have changed. Low powered variables are pouring into the market as well as red dot, illuminated reticle and holographic sights. By Coopers open ended definition and his use of the word "typically" any of these sight options and in various combinations would qualify on a scout as long as the magnification does not exceed the accepted low range of 1x-4x(this is assumed). Cooper again was brilliant in his choice of words because he knew technology would change and was seeing it evolve shortly before his death. Action: Magazine fed bolt action. Detachable box magazine and or stripper clip charging is desirable but not necessary Notice, short or long action is not specified; we assume it should be a short action because Cooper preferred them and it was easier to make ideal weight. Detachable box mag's and striper clips are not required, nor is a magazine cut off. We make too many assumptions regarding action. The only requirement is that it be a magazine fed bolt action. Sling: Fast loop-up type, ie Ching or CW style. Many assumptions made here. Just because Cooper gave 2 examples does not mean these are the only choices for a quick loop up style sling. It also doesn't mean a scout rifle has to have 3 sling swivels. A Ching requires 3 but a CW uses 2; one at the forend and one just in front of the magazine well. I personally can think of at least 5 to 6 more "quick loop" style slings that I like much better than the the Ching or CW; and they only require 2 sling mounts. My personal favorites are the Allen slide loop nylon sling and the Hunt sling made of leather. In my opinion they are faster; easily adjustable and won't hang up on brush when carrying the rifle off the shoulder. These two slings were not available when Cooper put the conference together; he just preferred the Ching and CW. Only requirement here is a fast loop style sling and enough sling swivels to make it work. Caliber: Nominally .308 Winchester(7.62x51). Calibers such as 7mm-08 Remington(7x51mm) or .243 Winchester(6x51mm) being considered for frail individuals or where "military" calibers are proscribed There's that word "nominally" again. Cooper preached the .308 and short action because he felt it was the best overall combination to achieve scout rifle specs and effectiveness. But the definition does not require it. I believe in this case Cooper wanted the smallest most effective family of medium range cartridges available. Nominally here refers to the .308 family. You ask how can you say that? because just after".308 Winchester" he gives two examples in the cartridge family that denote "range". He also uses the phrase "such as" which is the equivalent to "for example". This leaves all cartridges below .243x51 out; and those cartridges above it as viable alternatives for the scout rifle. This would include long action medium range cartridges as well. Cooper knew the .308; although widely distributed thru out the world; is not available every where. Cooper couldn't tell a Swedish or Norwegian citizen that they really can't have a scout rifle because the most plentiful ammo available is either 6.5x55 or 7.62x54. I don't believe we have that right either. So, from Coopers designed choice of ambiguous language, cartridges greater than .243 Win and up are good to go. Even Cooper's own rhetoric did not completely limit the scout to only three cartridges; he preached it in order to keep the purity of the concept; but practically, he changed it when it suited him. I think "Lion Scout" comes to mind. Built in bipod: desirable but not mandatory Enough said, I'll move on. Accuracy: should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less(4") at 200 yards/meters (3 shot groups) Accuracy for the scout is a practical issue and does not require sub moa. Although, most of us desire a rifle more capable of 2 moa just for bragging rights. I just want to remind everyone that tack driving is not required of a scout rifle. Couple of other features or lack of them that are not required of a scout rifle. 1. Synthetic stock; you mean it's not in there! yup. Cooper preferred them but it's not required. 2. Threaded barrel and flashhider; yes Virginia, there is a santa clause; and there will be a sound suppressor under the tree for your GSR. Cooper had no use for any of them; but by definition they can be included. 3. Magazine cut-off; nope still not there. 4. The list could get long so I'll stop. I hope many of you will see my point. We tend to be far more dogmatic than we should regarding what does or does not make a scout rifle. I find it interesting that Cooper preached a narrow scout definition while alive; but chose to leave the characteristics of the scout as a concept. I say again, the man was brilliant. Posted by Rod Teague at 7:45 PM Email ThisBlogThis!Share to TwitterShare to FacebookShare to Pinterest Labels: Firearms 2 comments: SarahOctober 4, 2012 at 4:27 AM The most comfortable Gun i must say, There is nothing lack in this riffle. ReplyDelete MktwainJune 18, 2015 at 12:34 AM My recollection is that the forward mounting extended-eye-relief 'scout' scope was initially intended to preserve stripper clip loading. Once just about everyone went over to box magazines, it seemed to stick around because it looked different and 'tacti-cool'. Unfortunately, when people started proclaiming imagined advantages to placing the scope far far away, it muddied the waters on what really was a better solution; an intermediate-eye-relief scope which placed the ocular bell just forward of the bolt handle. The IER scope eliminates bolt handle interference while giving a substantially larger sight picture. Oddly, Cooper used a Noske IER scope on his Canadian hunt many years before the Scout era; the pictorial evidence is on the Jeff Cooper website (and, he did it while sporting what appears to be a Boer War British pith helmet, go figure). Anyhow, the scout scope highjacked the term intermediate eye relief, and none of the makers currently offer what I believe to be the better solution. Although Redfield briefly offered the 1-4x IER SHOTGUN Scope; Bob Bell custom mounted on on a 98 Mauser in the 1980's, and wrote a Gun Digest article up praising its qualities; yeah Redfield marketed it as a shotgun scope, no wonder they went tits up. ReplyDelet

Slightly off OP, but that's one of the many things I like about this group. The concern for others. Checking on absent members is a mark of good people. When I was gone for an extended period, I found some searching for me. Me. A non important guy. But it was great feeling to know someone wondered.

The Smith & Wesson Model 36 No dash. Chiefs special. This is a beautiful example of the Model 36 from 1968-69 Including the original factory box and paperwork. $750 This gun is 95+%. If its been shot it hasn't been shot much, the only marks on the gun are on the cylinder from rotating it. Trades considered 1911s, lever guns...

Most all of the problems I've seen through the years with small 2-stroke engines come from either neglect, bad fuel, or else the wrong fuel / oil mix, fouled plugs, flooding, or all of the above. With a small displacement 2-stroke, you usually get one shot at starting it. If you over choke it, you'll flood it. And once you get the plug wet, you're pretty much done, because the oil in the fuel mix won't evaporate and dry off. And with many of these engines it doesn't take much. It's why I always keep at least 2 extra spark plugs for each 2-stroke I have. It takes a bit of skill to learn how to get and keep small displacement 2-strokes running reliably. They can be a bit quirky, and every one is different. Loggers and landscapers make their living with these things. So they know what and what not to do. And they're running their own equipment day in and day out. So they know it well. But the average homeowner who runs a saw once every couple of months doesn't. That, and having the thing sitting 10 times more than it's running, doesn't help either. Most are being run on stale gas. They also require far more carburetor adjustments than a 4-cycle does. It's actually a mechanics engine, just by it's design. And I think that is why so many people have trouble with them.

I just sold mine

Finally got the Altamont grips I ordered for the new Python in. In addition to the Colt SAA I posted earlier, also have this Taylor Smokewagon Deluxe which is a hell of a gun Everyone needs some old model Single Sixes, 1956 flatgate and 1958 Gotta have a DA/SA 22 if you have a bunch of single actions

My kids and I were walking in our neighborhood the other day. Being in Brentwood, the back of my neighborhood is home to a bunch of turkeys that no one seems to have told that spring turkey season is going on. They’re safe and fat. Anyway, my kids and I were walking and came upon about 30 hens and two big toms who were all out in full strut. My 8 year old gobbled at them - not expecting a reaction - and you’ve never heard such a ruckus. They were so mad at him. He was kind of hidden by a bush, and the toms came to investigate. It was great once he realized they were coming his way - at which point he lost his nerve and high tailed it down the street. His sisters laughed all the way home.

Very Nice! I would take the 2nd from the bottom! Just as a gift, ya' know. lol

Hahahahaha. Figured it was a “long” shot eh?

try walking under a big turkey roost when it's a pitch black morning. You would think the trees are falling....

I've heard about it since I moved here, but I've never had it. Didn't even know what it looked like. I just gave 'er a googling & realized I have literally TONS of it on my property. If anyone wants to come to tullahoma & clear my fence rows.......ahem....... pick a truck full of Poke, please feel free! (Le Wife asked if you could microwave it. Good God I detest that woman sometimes.)