TGO David

Really? Tell you what... stand in front of me, let me point a loaded Glock at you and we'll do the trigger pull two ways. On the first pull, I'll just put my finger at the extreme top of the trigger's curvature, above the "dingus" and you have a better than 99.99999% chance of walking away from it. On the second pull, I'll put my finger below the "dingus" and pull. You can tell me how effective the dingus was when you get out of the hospital.

If I throw a punch at you, your natural inclination is going to be to raise your hands to protect your face. If I throw a baseball at your head, same thing. It's a natural flinch instinct. The same instinct frequently occurs in shootings, as evidenced by the frequent reports of people who have been fatally shot also having bullet wounds to their hands and forearms. So, yes, this IS what a normal person in a self-defense situation might run into and you're just muddying the water with false information based on personal opinion. The FBI requirements for ballistic gel tests are set the way they are for a reason. That reason is based off of years worth of field data. I wouldn't discount it quite so quickly.

Did you happen to read the last post date/time before replying? 2008.

I always worry about people who don't take time to read the FAQ or sticky entries before asking why they can't post something for sale. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/firearms-classifieds/20223-why-cant-i-post-ads-trading-post.html

I'd say that they both pull the holster in equally tight. I can hide the HK45 with no problems under a regular t-shirt.

Man... that is a ton of leather on that holster. M&P 40 in my MTAC again today.

Let me take my Admin / Moderator hat off for a second so that I don't get any nasty replies accusing me of representing the "fold" poorly... [...Just Regular David Speaking...] I honestly believe that there are very few cases (as in 1%) where open carry is going to be more advantageous than concealed carry, and even then I would argue that the advantages are purely ergonomic rather than tactical. I further believe that a large percentage of people who open carry do so as a form of passive activism. They do it because "it's my God given right" or because "if we don't exercise our rights, what good are they" etc, ad nauseum. First of all, your holster isn't the place to be an activist. Your firearm is a tool for self defense. It's not a ballot box and it's not a picket sign. If you want to be an activist, there are better ways to do it that don't involve your means of self defense being displayed for shock value. Second, you can exercise your 2nd Amendment rights by (a.) voting, (b.) buying a firearm, (c.) obtaining a HCP and (d.) by carrying regularly. You don't have to carry openly, just frickin carry the damn thing. Third, there are significant advantages to be had in blending in with the scenery and you aren't going to do that while open carrying unless you're in the middle of a pack of police officers and you're in uniform yourself. The military spends an obscene amount of time, energy, resources and money on perfecting camouflage for a reason. Hunters do the same. Because blending in makes sense, both from an offensive and defensive perspective. There simply is no reason to walk around showing your hand, so to speak, when you can play those cards close to the vest and have the element of surprise on your side. The 1% of people who cannot carry concealed due to physical limitations or ergonomic concerns (i.e. the guy who can't wear an IWB holster because he has too many Burger King deserts crammed into his belt line) get a free pass on this... and grudgingly even then. I know people who are in wheel chairs who still manage to conceal their sidearms. Plus, I'm a fatty myself but somehow I manage to use an IWB holster and some pretty big-ass guns inside them to boot. I realize this will fly all over the "It's my God Given Right as an American!" contingent and I respect that. But I also think they are well meaning but a little misguided in this instance. Yes, it's your Right... and no one is questioning that. Some of us just question whether or not you're getting the most out of your Right from a practical perspective. [...Admin/ Moderator Hat Back On...]

Senario 3: Bad guy comes up behind you while you're bent over in your car and grabs your gun out of it's holster (since you're open carrying) and then proceeds to really ruin your day. Senario 4: Bad guy comes up behind you while you're bent over in your car and sees that you're open carrying. He decides to just pump a few rounds into you and steal your wallet, car, etc. rather than risk confronting you on equal footing.

Maybe it's because their interpretation of the 10th Amendment isn't the same as what yours is?

In due time.

I'm one of the first to kick Microsoft in the balls for doing something wrong, having made a good living supporting their junk for the past 15 years or so. Problem is... they got this one right. The bad news is that people will probably avoid Win7 for a while because of how monumental of a dick-up Vista was. Pity.

I have a pre-order for Snow Lep with Amazon, so I'm looking forward to receiving my copy soon. Meh... I get tired of comments like this. Windows 7 is the version upgrade that Vista should have been but failed miserably at. It's as stable as XP and is lightyears more improved than Vista.

I suggest taking this up with John Harris and voicing your discontent. While the TFA doesn't control what their members (or guests) say, that chapter should have done a little better job vetting this speaker before putting him front and center to ramble off a stream of patently false information.

Those of you who think that some "attitude" was warranted in this encounter seriously need to stop and consider that the flip side of this could have been him being escorted off the property. Property owners can post prohibited or flat out tell you to leave. What harm was done with him showing the guard his permit? He satisfied their concerns and was allowed to continue on his way. It doesn't really matter that the guard has no legal authority to demand his HCP. He could have just shown him out and told him never to come back.

While he has no legal right to ask you to see your permit, he is working for a company that has a legal right to prohibit you from carrying there if they so desire. You took the path of least resistance, which I think was smart given your options of either complying or being forced to leave.

Yep... the Tenifer process that Glock applies to their slides is super strong stuff and leaves the slide looking just like that when I media blast them for re-finishing. Its pretty cool looking.

That's an excellent first post and speaks to so many of the reasons why most of us here carry for our protection as well. Welcome to TGO.

www.GunsAndGearExpo.com The site is live; just adding the finishing touches!

You won't have a problem. I only saw one LCP on a table out there.

I think you will be pleased if you go this route. I'm wearing my HK45 in the holster that Brandon made and it's super comfortable. The way he mounts the belt loops even provides flexibility in ride-height, so I raised the holster a bit so that it conceals even easier beneath a T-shirt now.

Stop by and say hello to Brandon at the SharkTac booth.

1. Faster delivery. On the spot vs. 6-8 weeks. 2. Thicker belt loops; less chance of the kydex breaking there. 3. Additional grommets to improve retention around the trigger guard. 4. Wider "sweat guard"; doesn't bite into your skin as easy as the narrower guards do. 5. Did I mention on the spot delivery?

They were talking about another location just across the road in Smyrna, but they aren't sure if it will pan out or not.

I had the pleasure of meeting Brandon from Shark Tac today at the Smyrna gun show and had him fab up an outside the waistband holster for my HK45. I thought I'd post some pics so you guys could see the quality. As most of you know, I'm a huge fan of the Raven Concealment Phantom holster so I had Brandon whip up one of his similar designs. I can already see quite a few things about his holsters that I prefer more than the Raven. If you're in the Smyrna gun show this weekend, stop by the Shark Tac booth and tell Brandon hello and maybe get him to build something for you. We're hopeful to have him a the Mid-South Guns & Gear Expo this December too so this is an excellent chance to see what he can build for you ahead of time also.

Hey guys... I'm standing at the Shark Tac booth right now watching Brandon fab up an OWB holster for my HK45 and just shooting the bull with him. He was commenting that this is their first show this far south and they haven't really had a good turnout at their booth. Problem is, the RK boneheads have stuffed them all the way against the wall next to the junk dealers so no one is coming over here where they are. This totally sucks for them, especially considering the quality of the gear he's cranking out. If you're wanting a good carry rig and don't want a 6-12 week wait, come see these guys this weekend. He's got a lot of common holsters pre-built and he can whip up something for you on the spot if you need custom work. I'll post pics of mine later tonight but it is quite similar in concept to the Raven Concealment Phantom that I have for my other guns, and priced extremely competitively. It'd be great to see some TGO referrals make thid trip worth it for them. Plus we're hoping to see him at the BIG expo event in December too.