TGO David

I know your frustration with the M&P trigger precisely. My full-size 40 was driving me absolutely bat**** prior to sending it off for a trigger job. My grouping was horrible and I knew that I was doing everything right in terms of minimizing trigger jerk. The thing is, some of those guns have a even more horrible break than others. My compact isn't like that and neither is my wife's compact. But the big 40 would literally jump to the left every time the trigger broke over and as a result my initial shot might have been off but my follow-up shot would definitely be off. After the trigger was re-worked by Dan Burwell and the pull weight cut down to around 3.5lbs, the gun became a nail driver. If I miss now, it's because I screwed up. If you were closer, I'd be more than happy to let you shoot it sometime at the range. That trigger feels almost as good now as some 1911 triggers do out of the box.

Right. So I guess what I meant to ask in my previous post was whether a state government has been sued yet for prohibiting a citizen's right to defend him or herself in an establishment that the government had declared to be a "gun-free zone".

I don't want to Monday Morning Quarterback you here, but it sounds like you were jerking the trigger and causing your shots to go wide. I have no problem getting very tight groups out of either of our M&P compacts. Granted, the trigger on these guns is a little gritty at first but it does smooth out with use... and really shines if you have a competent gunsmith smooth it out for you. Besides, a compact handgun shouldn't be considered for sharpshooting. If you're wanting accuracy, get a 5" bbl single-action. As long as the compact can put it's bullets into a man-sized target at 10 yds or less, I'd say it is doing the job it was intended to do. But most of them are capable of being way more accurate than that; the M&P included.

Does anyone here know if a lawsuit has successfully been brought against a business or organization that prohibited concealed carry permit holders to go armed on their property and where one of said permit holders was harmed on that property as a result? That would really make things interesting.

As a Mustang owner, that would be A-OK with me. Wait, my wife's daily driver is a Honda... I know, I was just using it to illustrate the point.

This is going off topic quite a bit, but I'll say that I do not agree with the sentiment that we should be allowed to carry handguns onto airplanes. I do believe that the cabin crew should be armed and I do believe that there should be trained Air Marshals on each and every flight. You also have the right to own an overly aggressive pitbull or doberman, but you shouldn't have the right to take that dog onto a playground and turn it loose among a group of children. There comes a point where your rights end and mine begin, and I don't want you popping off rounds inside an airplane at 30,000 feet.

This part gets me every time. Sure, you have the right to insist that no one bring a gun onto your property. However, who exactly are you going to be pissed off at? a.) The criminal who conceals a gun, comes onto your property and harms you b.) The good guy who conceals a gun, comes onto your property, leaves and you were never the wiser c.) The good guy who conceals a gun, comes onto your property and saves your ass when the criminal from a.) tries to harm you Just wondering. Because most people who claim the thing about personal property rights tend to view it a little differently when item C becomes the case.

I'm going to be the Devil's Advocate here and just say what I think most people mean when they say "Concealed means concealed" since you're not likely to get many replies from folks admitting to do something wrong. People who I've spoken with and who have that mentality tend to figure that the law of Self Preservation (aka the God-given right to life) outranks the laws of the land. These are sometimes the same people who have carried a concealed weapon for years before any sort of legal provision to do so was granted. These are the folks who figure that the real bad guys don't observe the law and therefore don't play by the rules, so the only way to keep from becoming prey is to similarly skirt the law but do so in as benign of a fashion as possible. Honestly, this sort of survival mindset (if you'll forgive me from using a word that I think has become ridiculously trivialized by advertising propaganda) has existed from the earliest days of good vs. evil. History tells us that the British were befuddled when Colonial American soldiers began adopting "guerilla warfare" tactics rather than observe the formal rules of combat that the British expected honorable men to follow. There's nothing honorable about ending up dead, the Colonials started realizing that, so they took the kid gloves off and did what the "law" thought unthinkable.

Emphasized because, well... it can't be emphasized enough. Truer words have rarely been spoken in regard to civil settlements. You can essentially expect that the likelihood of ever seeing your money again is inversely proportional to how much of a dirtbag the perp was and his family members are.

Yeah but... who's the woman holding the love of your life? And I agree that's a sweet rifle. That's my 13 year old son shooting my full-size M&P .40SW a month or two ago.

Well, let's give this a spin... http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28

Several of our members had requested that I add a forum specifically for starting threads that would feature photographs (and videos perhaps) of firearms and firearms related things. So, this is the place to do it. Use an outside service like Photo Bucket or ImageShack to host the photos and likewise link them here. I will post a tutorial on how to link photos into your posts soon. Please keep photographs PG rated and keep them relevant to the theme of firearms ownership. Also, feel free to Rate the threads by clicking on the appropriate button at the top of each thread. Thanks, and enjoy!

Here, let me screw it up even more for you... Smith & Wesson M&P Compact .357SIG SKU: 109005 Model: M&P Caliber: .357 Sig. Capacity: 10+1 Barrel Length: 3.5" Front Sight: Steel Ramp Dovetail Mount (Tritium Sights Optional) Rear Sight: Steel Novak® Lo-Mount Carry (Tritium Sights Optional) Trigger Pull: 6.5 lbs. Trigger Travel: Rest to Fire .300 in. Trigger Reset: Approx. .140 in. Frame: Compact Finish: Slide and Barrel Black Melonite®, 68 HRc Overall Length: 6.7" Material: Zytel Polymer Frame, Stainless Steel Barrel/Slide and Structural Components Weight Empty (No Mag): 22.2 oz. Overall Height: 4.3" Width: 1.2" Sight Length: 5.75" My daily carry gun is an M&P Compact .40SW and my wife's is a 9mm. We love these little guns.

Baddassery... YES! That comes stock with every box of .357SIG ammo that you buy doesn't it?

Or you could get paid to run around with a gun, travel to exotic distant lands, meet interesting people and kill them. Hmmm. Pay to train, or train and get paid... It's too late for me to do it all over again, but I think I'd choose the latter.

For only $499 and one weekend a month...

The one and only Millennium handgun that I have held to date (9mm) felt like it was competing against Glock for the prestigious Worst Ergonomics Ever award.

For me, I want the biggest damn projectile with the most kinetic energy behind it that I can carry into battle and fire with the most accuracy. But what that means to me means something else to the next guy... but as long as I'm up-range of the next guy, I really don't care.

Good point.

What if we better integrated the photo gallery that we already have in such a way that it appeared more like sub-forums within the message areas? Or if I switched us to a different gallery software that did?

I've been there, man. Sometimes it helps to just push away from the keyboard and go live a little.

Stop it. You've now mentioned two cars that I'd love to own. Black on Black for the Camaro = HOTNESS. Grand National? Enough said! If you need any help feeling bad for getting rid of either of those two, give me a shout and I'll make it worse for you. Spent some time in Vanderbilt's NICU myself in the past though, so you clearly did the right thing. Cars, trucks, bikes, guns... all replaceable. Kids aren't.

I think you handled it properly... and yeah, reading that it makes me think something wrong was about to go down had you not been visibly armed. Congrats on living to tell about it!

I remain less than impressed with the defacto Nashville chapter president. As I've said to molonlabetn privately, I left the first "revival meeting" of this chapter with the impression that John Harris may have moved too quickly to accept Perry's volunteer appointment and maybe should have waited for another meeting or two to come and go and see if others volunteered as well. It was all decided upon very quickly that first meeting and we may never know if someone more suited to the task was holding their tongue in a "wait and see" move rather than jump in head-first. I'm not knocking Perry... I haven't seen enough of his leadership ability yet to make that call. But what I've seen so far seems like he's oozing with enthusiasm but doesn't exude much charisma or confidence. And those are two things that a solid leader needs, and two things which this chapter will die out again for lack of. I hope I'm wrong on all counts, though. This organization must succeed and it's terribly sad that it can't get a chapter off the ground in it's own back yard.