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Anyone giving discounts to C&R FFL holders on complete AR uppers?
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:clap:Yes sir, that is correct, but no one will believe you.
Well then if you ever have an encounter like that tell the cop to go piss up a rope; he has no authority. After you get out of jail I’m sure you can find a lawyer more than willing to take your case and bleed you dry.
I’m just commenting for those that are wondering if what you are posting is true.
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do you all see anything that covers how the signs are supposed to be worded? i dont. this would be the basis of a lawsuit IMHO. lawyers love loopholes and this my friends is a huge loophole. Yes....
The sign shall be of a size that is plainly visible to the average person entering the building, premises or property and shall contain language substantially similar to the following:
PURSUANT TO § 39-17-1359, THE OWNER/OPERATOR OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BANNED WEAPONS ON THIS PROPERTY, OR WITHIN THIS BUILDING OR THIS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING. FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS PROHIBITION IS PUNISHABLE AS A CRIMINAL ACT UNDER STATE LAW AND MAY SUBJECT THE VIOLATOR TO A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500).
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If the proerty owner would have asked the guy to leave he should have left.
I am arguing the "authority" of the LEO to make you do anything in this case. Whether anyone believes it or not, normal citizens have rights, and the LEOs do not have rights that are greater than yours. This SHOULD have been acceptable "Officer I have a TN Handgun Carry Permit, this place was not posted in any manner to let me know that carrying my firearm here would be against the owner's wishes. No one has said anything to me about it. I will be more than happy to show you my HCP permit and DL right now."
You are not breaking any laws, so why must you bend over backwards just because some liberal mini-van driver doesn't understand the laws. The officer is not doing anything wrong here either, I am just try to make the point that WE need to know our rights, and anyone who thinks a LEO can make you jump when they say jump, has given in to the sheep mindset.
It doesn't matter fellows. We have allowed the govenment to regulate our everyday lives in such a way that is sickening. We pay for our 2nd amendment, we pay rent each year on property we own, we rewrite laws to trump existing laws, etc. All I am saying is
Please I want to end this fruitless conversation. I made the mistake of saying something that the majority doesn't believe. I should have known better. I didn't, so I am sorry, not for my opinion, but for mentioning it here. I have never served time in the military and I am not a Cop, I am just a lowly citizen, so I should have known better than to speak.
No one is saying that you are just a lowly citizen; except you. But there is nothing in the Constitution and nothing in Tennessee state law that requires a Police Officer to put his life or the lives of innocent people around him in danger. If I was dispatched on a man with a gun call, I wouldn’t care if you are an HCP holder or an off duty cop, if I felt the need to remove you from the restaurant or disarm you that is what would happen.
You have recourse if you think I violated your rights; but non-compliance is not an option.
You are stating here that the Officer has no authority like it is fact. He has absolute authority. Now that may not set well with you; but that is just how it is.
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Yeah . . . I really should get it fixed . . . ARRGHHHHHHHHH . . . I expect to be "held up" by some out of state gunsmith as I discussed above.
Really, if you are going to get held up by a gunsmith make sure it is one of our own.!!
Just kidding….
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I needed a one piece scope mount for my .308 Panther and felt that $150-$200 just wasn't for me. I bought a one piece Picatinny mount for $55 OTD at the Nashville fairgrounds gun show. It is made by J&T out of Kentucky.
So far it has been rock soild and held up well. They had both 1" and 30mm mounts.
http://jtdistributing.net/index.html
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All I can say is Ouch! Why they would put a thin hard rubber recoil pad on a caliber that size is beyond me. I am going to have to find a better recoil pad for it. Maybe a Sims or something similar.
Did you ever find a good recoil pad? I’m looking for one for my 700 VLS.
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There is NO EXCUSE for a seller to have a loaded gun on display.
Agreed. And there is NO EXCUSE for someone to pick-up a gun and do anything with it before checking that it is clear.
I don’t dry fire my weapons and I don’t allow anyone else to do it; it’s something that just is not done. But I certainly would not allow it at a gun show.
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I'm not sure I understand how you can use this C&R FFL to by anything other than old guns?
What else can you buy?
When I needed a scope from MidwayUSA the regular price was $679.99; Dealer price was $546.48. That’s $133.51 savings on one item. The lowest price I found locally was $700.
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Well if you want HD, DVR, On-Demand premium channels, internet so fast the numbers don’t matter, or want to be able to just replace a bad piece of equipment at no cost to you… then there is no alternative to Comcast.
But if you find one let us now because my Comcast bill is crazy.
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WARNING! Graphic pictures of gunshot wounds. Don’t click on this link if you are eating breakfast or have a weak stomach.
http://negligentdischarge.com/
This guy was changing the grip safety on a 1911 while it was loaded. He then decided to try it out by cranking off a round into his leg.
Here is how he described pointing the gun in a safe direction.
I pointed it in a "safe direction" which was at the floor in about a 45 degree angle. In retrospect, sitting in the corner of a basement there really WAS no "safe direction" when you take into account the possibility of a ricochet. If I had been standing, that would have been a "safe direction" otherwise, but since I was sitting my legs were in the path of the resulting bullet.
I really had to laugh when I saw one on the pictures. This guy claims to be a reloader and it made me think of the thread where we were talking about Bubba reloading.
He writes….
A picture trying to show the size of the first entry wound. The camera angle is bad, but the caliper was set to the width of the hole. That's almost 1 1/4 inch
I blacked out the gunshot wound in that picture but you can see it in the story.
Those calipers are reading 12.47mm, or .481†not the 1.247 inches he is referring to as “That's almost 1 1/4 inchâ€. Although he may be confused because I would guess that feels like an inch and a quarter.
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Dave, thank you for posting the pic here . . . I am still not sure how to post pics properly. How did you know where to go in and see to add the "h"?
I saw the web address for you picture but noticed that in the http// the h was missing.
http://www.your-web-address-here
I am guessing you tried to copy the web address and then selected the “image†icon in the forum software. You just didn’t have all of the address highlighted when you copied.
Since you are using PhotoBucket you don’t have to use the image icon in the forum software. When you are looking at your thumbnails (the small images) you will see choices as shown in the picture below. If you just click on the “IMG Code†you will see the yellow “COPIED†flag pop up (as shown). Then you can just paste that into your post in your forum message.
The picture won’t show up in your message until you hit “preview postâ€.
Hope that helps.
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I'll get the picture here when I figure out what I am doing wrong!
Thanks to all for the good advice; here is the outcome of my "cleanup." First used a metal polish to take all the "gunk" off; then red jewelers rouge for cleaning, white for polishing, and then cloth pad on my electric drill.
You are just missing the "h" as in http: at the beginning of that.
But you did a good job on it.....
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The New York City-based ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court ruling, saying in a statement that it interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right to own guns and not an individual one.
That is stupid at face value. Regardless what you believe about the second amendment or what it meant; the SCOTUS has ruled. The SCOTUS are the keepers of the Constitution. If you are going to make Constitutional arguments one of them can not be that the SCOTUS is wrong.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong...but you really don't have to verify this information just as long as to your knowledge they are not inellgiable to purchase a firearm....and on private sales they don't have to be over 18.
Right?
My understanding is that you have to verify that they are from your state and their age.
I believe they must be over 18 for a handgun in this state. I think for FFL’s it is 21 because they are bound by federal law.
You can’t verify if they are ineligible (felon, illegal immigrant, nut case, drunk, wife beater, etc) so I don’t see how they could be expect that.
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I did that several weeks ago and got one. No one has called me.
I was going to post and ask if anyone belonged to the Heritage Foundation. Their views appear to be pretty much in line with mine; and I thought I might donate.
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I have one. I have saved hundreds of dollars on my purchases from MidwayUSA. I saved $100 on just one scope.
The discounts on ammo aren’t real big. I have never ordered any ammo because I get my “Range Ammo” at Wal-Mart and I have never found anywhere that will beat their price.
I can’t believe that everyone that is into firearms doesn’t have one. Best $30 I’ve spent.
But if you find any good deals on ammo be sure to let us know.
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ETA:
IE: A business can post a big sign with a picture of a gun and a slash through it. It's pretty clear that the intent is no guns, but the AG has specifically said that doesn't count.
I would guess because of these…
We get so use to seeing “No Smoking†signs everywhere who really looks anymore to see if that’s a cigarette in the sign?
But thats just a WAG.
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Therein lies one of the problems: the AG throws out "substantially similar" but doesn't say who gets to decide. Unfortunately, if a HCP holder believes the wording is not ss, it doesn't mean much.
I think the AG was trying to make a point that this is not a word and punctuation game. Police officers, Prosecutors, and Judges look at the intent of the law.
The intent of this law is to let you know that business owners can post their property and your carry permit is no good there. They have rights; you have a privilege. Rights trump privileges every time.
Someone does get to decide. And it goes in this order… The Cop that responds, the DA that gets the case, and eventually the Judge.
And it could be argued that "intent" is irrelavent (I'm not saying you'd win, I'm just saying it could be argued). If a business owner doesn't comply with what the law says he has to do, it could be argued that I didn't break any law.Anything can be argued. I could argue the intent of the law is clear.
On a different note… I’m not familiar with Tennessee’s arrest procedures (thank God
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Just a personal curiosity question:
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“Weapons are Not Permitted on the property of Charter Communication.â€
substantially similar to the wording in the statute?
I'm not saying a cop couldn't or wouldn't arrest someone in this case, but personally, I don't feel (and it's merely MO) that this one sentence is substantially similar to the paragraph given in the statute.
Yes. It is substantially similar in that it conveys exactly the same message as the language in the code.
I can picture a Judge asking you if you were unclear on the intent of the sign.
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It is not being an ass. It is simply not jumping at his ever command.
I said he could see my permit here at the table......... I guess you skipped over that part.
He has no authority to make you leave the table and go outside, unless you are being arrested.He’s conducting an investigation into a call of a man with a gun. He has the authority to direct you anywhere he deems safe.
Having a conversation with an armed person in the middle of a restaurant is reckless and puts innocent people in harms way. Asking you to get up and walk outside would be the proper thing to do.
You have no rights here; the only one that has any rights is the business owner.
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The AG specifically stated in an opinion that a picture of a handgun with a slash through it does not constitute a legal sign. If you're going to post an AG opinion, you might as well post the one that actually pertains to this thread.
Is the sign just a gun with a slash though it? No, it contains the language “Weapons are Not Permitted on the property of Charter Communication.â€
Does reading that leave you unclear as to its meaning or their intent?
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But what the frick are the cops going to do, arrest you?
Yes. Both the cops that responded and the AG opinion that Fallguy posted reinforces that.
S T A T E O F T E N N E S S E E
OFFICE OF THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL
POBOX 20207
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE37202
October 22, 2007
Opinion No. 07-148
Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit Laws
QUESTION
6. Can the holder of a valid handgun carry permit be prosecuted for criminal trespass in violation of Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-14-405 if the permit holder reenters the property while armed after the owner has ordered the holder to vacate the premises and not return while armed in cases where the owner has not posted a sign that satisfies the requirements of Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1359?
OPINION
6. Yes. The holder of a valid handgun carry permit can be prosecuted for criminal trespass in violation of Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-14-405 if the permit holder reenters the property while armed after the owner has ordered the holder to vacate the premises and not return while armed in cases where the owner has not posted a sign that satisfies the requirements of Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1359.
ANALYSIS
6. An armed handgun carry permit holder who reenters property after being ordered to
vacate does so with knowledge that the reentry is without the effective consent of the owner and would therefore be subject to prosecution for criminal trespass. The fact that the trespasser holds a valid handgun carry permit is not a defense to a criminal trespass charge under Tenn. Code Ann.§ 39-14-405.4
QUESTION
7. Can a property owner regulate the manner in which the holder of a valid handgun carry permit may possess or carry his or her handgun on the owner’s property?
OPINION
7. Yes. A property owner has the right to regulate the manner in which the holder of a valid handgun carry permit may possess or carry his or her handgun on the owner’s property. In exercising such right, the property owner may allow a handgun carry permit holder to carry the handgun concealed but not openly, openly but not concealed or in any other manner that the property owner deems appropriate.
ANALYSIS
7. Owners of property have the right to possess, enjoy and use their property. State ex rel.
Elvis Presley Foundation v. Crowell, 733 S.W.2d 89 (Tenn. App. 1987). Such a right carries with it the right to set the terms and conditions governing the use of property. The right to set terms and conditions governing the use of property rests with both private parties and federal, state and local governments. See, e.g., United States v. Grace, 461 U.S. 171 (1983); Adderly v. Florida, 385 U.S. 39 (1966); State v. Lyons, 802 S.W.2d 590 (Tenn. 1990).
A property owner’s right to set terms and conditions governing the use of property would
naturally include the right to determine whether others may enter or remain on the property while armed. In situations where the owner permits the possession of firearms on the property, the right to impose restrictions would also include the right to determine whether firearms may be carried openly, concealed or either openly or concealed.
The law specifically states what the posting should say period.The AG for the state of Tennessee does not agree with you.
Opinion No. 07-43
Posting Notices that Handguns Are Not Permitted in Private Buildings
QUESTIONS
1. In order to prohibit handgun permit holders from carrying their handguns in a nongovernmental building, must the sign contain the exact language set forth in Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1359(a)?
1. No. Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1359(a) requires the posting of a notice which uses language that is “substantially similar†to the language provided in the statute.
You can be told to leave but nothing else UNLESS you do not comply forthwith.What part of this says you get a warning other than the sign?
39-17-1359. Prohibition at certain meetings — Posting notice. —
(a) An individual, corporation, business entity or local, state or federal government entity or agent thereof is authorized to prohibit the possession of weapons by any person otherwise authorized by §§ 39-17-1351 — 39-17-1360, at meetings conducted by, or on property owned, operated, or managed or under the control of the individual, corporation, business entity or government entity. Notice of the prohibition shall be posted. Posted notices shall be displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the building, portion of the building or buildings where weapon possession is prohibited. If the possession of weapons is also prohibited on the premises of the property as well as within the confines of a building located on the property, the notice shall be posted at all entrances to the premises that are primarily used by persons entering the property. The notice shall be in English but a notice may also be posted in any language used by patrons, customers or persons who frequent the place where weapon possession is prohibited. In addition to the sign, notice may also include the international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle. The sign shall be of a size that is plainly visible to the average person entering the building, premises or property and shall contain language substantially similar to the following:
PURSUANT TO § 39-17-1359, THE OWNER/OPERATOR OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BANNED WEAPONS ON THIS PROPERTY, OR WITHIN THIS BUILDING OR THIS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING. FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS PROHIBITION IS PUNISHABLE AS A CRIMINAL ACT UNDER STATE LAW AND MAY SUBJECT THE VIOLATOR TO A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500).
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Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter, reduce or eliminate any civil or criminal liability that a property owner or manager may have for injuries arising on their property.© Any posted notice being used by a local, state or federal governmental entity on July 1, 2000, that is in substantial compliance with the provisions of subsection (a) of this section may continue to be used by the governmental entity.
(d) The provisions of this section shall not apply to title 70 regarding wildlife laws, rules and regulations.
Acts 1996, ch. 905, § 11; 2000, ch. 929, § 1.]
Please frickin arrest me cause you, as a LEO or store owner, don't know the law. I need extra retirement money.Well I have not heard of anyone being arrested for carrying in violation of a sign, but the AG has certainly cleared the way for it to happen. If it does we will see if the person arrested retires off his settlement. If I thought there was a snowballs chance in hell of that happening I would jump on it. But I don’t think that is how it would play out.
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Come on guys. There is a big sign that point blan says weapons are not permitted. I understand its not exactly worded as the 1 above my reply but its pretty dam obvious the company doesnt want weapons on ther property. I would expect this out of Kwik. Pick your battles.
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is this sign legal
in Handgun Carry and Self Defense
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What on earth could possibly cause you to want to do that?