[Siderlock Safety for Glocks]

I'm having a problem understanding this one, are you saying that the Glock trigger is lighter then your 1911? Or that Glocks spontaneously erupt when the finger is inside the trigger guard?

I’m saying that Glocks have a well documented problem with AD/ND (Whatever name you want to use) that other handguns do not have.

According to the Glocksters it is operator error caused by putting your finger on the trigger of a Glock.

[Join "The Club"]

I am curious how the courts interpret in Tennessee being under the influence. My guess is someone who cannot control their actions well is under the influence, not having a drink or two with a meal.

My guess would be that it’s just like it is in some states where there is a “Presumption†for DUI; .08, .10, whatever. You can be charged with DUI at BAC levels less than those but the state must convince a Judge or Jury you were intoxicated or impaired. It is usually used when there is an accident with serious injuries or death.

I would guess it would be up to a jury.

The issue of guns and alcohol is a common sense one. Is Tennessee ever going to allow carrying where liquor is served? Not a snowballs chance in … well, I just doubt it will ever happen.

[Siderlock Safety for Glocks]

If you keep your finger off the trigger the glock does it's job VERY well.

Job of what… looking ugly?

And therein lies the problem. A firearm is useless without being able to put your finger on the trigger. I can do it with all of my handguns without the fear of an ND. (Even my 1911 at condition 0)

I hope it never happens to you, but if it does, know full well that you will be added to the long list of “He must have been inexperienced and pulled the triggerâ€

In a potential deadly force situation my finger will go on the trigger before I make the decision to fire. So I think I’ll stick with the firearms that let me decided when to fire.

[SKS or Ruger 10/22?]

It takes about three weeks. I saved the thirty bucks it cost on my first Midway order. (They give dealer pricing to C&R holders.)

If you want military collectables you might also want to look into meeting the requirements for buying from CMP.

Anniston, AL is a great toy store.

[SKS or Ruger 10/22?]

Everyone needs a rimfire; just for trigger time.

When faced with that I decided I had two choices. Buy a 10/22 that I could build to be accurate, or buy a 597 that was accurate out of the box but would most likely have feeding problems to work out.

I decided to go with the 597. It took some time, but I got all the feeding problems worked out and it was a decent rifle for practice.

[questions from new girl]

Pshhh... you were a cop, so I'm not even going to talk about how well some of the boys in blue shoot.

Oh, ok. I lied. Have you seen how badly some of those guys shoot?!?

cops as a whole are lousy shots, and a 1911 makes a great carry gun - even for those of us who aren't trying to show how manly we are.

Oh, I’ve seen it first hand.

However I think we had a little better financial and legal backing than she may have.

But hey… if she’s using a girly round like a 9mm in an APARTMENT COMPLEX, a few “fliers†will probably be okay with the neighbors.

[questions from new girl]

Which is good in case you do happen to miss a couple

[New cylinder on a J-frame .38 ?]

Well… first I would call Smith & Wesson service and see what they tell you. They take care of customers and cut some pretty good deals on repair work (like for free sometimes ). But if you don’t like the price they shoot you, it won’t cost that much more to have the entire gun blued by someone; I doubt anyone could match the bluing.

Todd Watts in Christiana did one for me (S&W Model 19) and it turned out great. Considering the cost of shipping a handgun it was a very good deal.

[questions from new girl]

Rarely will I say this…. You didn’t have a negligent discharge; you had an accidental discharge. There was negligence but it was on the part of the clown that put that gun in your hands.

But you have already been offered help here from some folks that are professionals.

Good Luck.

[Joined the Church of Browning today...]

heh..care to test that in a court of law Dave?

I can’t, I already tested the 2nd amendment and got my azz handed to me.

I have been gone for awhile, so I guess Barack Obama could have got that passed.

[Critique of post WWII 1911 A1.]

I will readily concede that the 1911 remains an enduring favorite, even while it's been superceded in common usage among professionals who use a pistol every day.

Professionals like FBI SWAT, FBI HRT, LAPD SWAT, and others I’m sure?

[Joined the Church of Browning today...]

In honor of IL's gun laws (gun and ammo cannot be stored in the same place--even in your own house). I knew about Chicago, but had no idea that this was statewide law in IL. That sucks! Remind me not to move to that place.

It’s not statewide. You can be loaded to the max in your own home. You just can’t carry.

I doubt that’s even the case in Chicago(except for handguns); but I don’t know that for sure.

[Critique of post WWII 1911 A1.]

Likewise, most all automatic pistols, even the ones made by that retard Gaston, are built upon the basic principles that JMB incorporated into his pistols.

[questions from new girl]

Right now if enough people told the original poster to go buy a Springfield M1A rifle, she'd probably go do that too. Doesn't mean it would be the right one for her either.

But a M1 carbine might be.

According to one of the guys from Thunder Ranch that is the best choice for a home defense weapon for a woman.

Sorry.... I'll shut up now.

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But still that doesn't mean the perp is going to jail that night.

I didn’t mean to imply that it did. We had discretion on whether or not to make an arrest on a misdemeanor. We did not have that discretion of a felony.

If it was a misdemeanor we could either take the person in and book them into jail and make them post bond. Usually used in a situation where the arrested was being uncooperative or the Officer felt that the situation would continue. Or we could release them with a field NTA (Notice to appear). That was usually used when the situation was over and the offender was not violent.

On a felony arrest they were booked into jail and could not bond until they went before a Judge.

Is Tennessee much different than that?

[questions from new girl]

but sometimes it's about quality and not quantity.

I knew that as soon as I saw the helpful quality of your post. I was simply agreeing with you.

[questions from new girl]

You’re probably right. A gun forum with members that have hundreds of year’s total of experience should stay out of it and just send her to a gun store clerk.

We have far more important things to talk about than helping someone that has ask for help.

[CCing when posting is not as TN says it should be.]

What usually happens on something like that is, the officer asks restaurant manager if he, "Wants to press charges?". If he does then in effect the restaurant manager has arrested the perp and transfered custody to the police. T.C.A. 40-7-109 and T.C.A. 40-7-113

Finally…. That’s exactly what I thought would be the case.

It’s no different that the state where I was a cop. If you commit a crime you get arrested; end of story. I didn’t think Tennessee would be that much different than most states. But hey… I’m still trying to learn Tennessee law.

[questions from new girl]

Maybe this will help you get some ideas.

Upper left. Smith & Wesson Model 36. That size is referred to as “J-Frames†Five shots of .38 SPL. (some models are available in .357mag.) It’s a steel frame and weighs 21 oz.

Highly concealable. It’s somewhat controllable with .38+P’s, but requires a lot of practice. That frame is available in .357mag, but in my opinion it boarders on being uncontrollable for most people; especially in an alloy frames.

Upper right. Smith and Wesson Model 66 with a 2.5†barrel. This size frame is referred to as a “K-Frameâ€. Six shots. Shoots either .38 or .357Mag. It’s stainless steel and weighs 31 oz. larger package than the J-frame but far more controllable and accurate even with .357Mag loads. These aren’t made anymore and are hard to find. (But I just found one last week on this forum.)

Middle left. Smith and Wesson Model 686 with a 4†barrel. This size frame is referred to as an “L-Frameâ€. Six shots. Shoots either .38 or .357Mag. It’s stainless steel and weighs 40 oz. in a 4†or 35 in a 2.5â€. This replaces the model 66 and is a little larger and heavier.

Not very concealable unless you wear a jacket. Great nightstand gun and doesn’t have any safeties to mess with. Pick it up and pull the trigger.

Middle Right. Smith and Wesson M&P 40 (Full size) 15 rounds of .40 S&W. Yes… you are into some serious firepower now. It’s a semi-auto that weighs 25 oz (empty) in the full size or 22 oz. in the compact version. The full size is not real concealable, but carries well. And 15 rounds of .40S&W is a lot of firepower in this package. The compact is much more concealable and is a popular carry gun; it’s 10 rounds.

Bottom. I just threw this in because you will see a lot of talk about the 1911. This is a Smith &Wesson stainless steel 1911. It weighs 40 oz empty. 8 rounds of .45ACP. This is the pinnacle of handgun firepower. It’s not very concealable and it’s heavy. It is the undisputed king (by most) of having the ability to make an armed assailant unable or unwilling to fire a weapon at you. The top guns in this category are highly accurate at long distance and are popular competition guns. They also come in cheap packages that are lucky to fire every time.

Not something you will want to start out with but most people that get into handguns will own at least one.

Revolvers Vs. Semi-autos. Unfortunately there is no way to practice for what your body and mind is going to go through in a deadly force situation. You need to practice a lot. The mechanics of how you practice will probably determine how you react in that situation. A semi-auto requires a lot of practice to become proficient in loading and chambering a round; especially in a high stress situation.

My wife has no interest in guns. Therefore I keep loaded revolvers around her. She knows that all she has to do is point and pull the trigger; if the gun does not fire, pull the trigger again. My semi-autos are loaded but don’t have a round chambered when they are in the house. She would not be able to use them, and as long as she has revolvers laying around; has no desire to learn.

Good luck finging what will work for you.

[questions from new girl]

Need you say more??

Sometimes you just have to have fun on the forum.

[CCing when posting is not as TN says it should be.]

I don't know if there is a filing charge. A phone call tomorrow can find out.

But yes, the victim or someone who saw the incident will have to swear out the warrant.

So what are the cops going to do with the perps? Drive off and leave them, wait while someone goes before a Judge and gets a warrant?

[CCing when posting is not as TN says it should be.]

OK, is that clear now?

Good links.

Okay that makes it pretty clear that you can be arrested for a misdemeanor whether a cop sees it or not.

Now a question about the arrest warrant.

A couple of thugs are making a scene in a restaurant. The owner or manager asks them to leave. As they are leaving one of them punches the owner/manager in the face (misdemeanor assault).

The police dispatcher sends a couple of Officers and gives them a description of the perps and a vehicle description with a plate number. One of the responding Officers sees the vehicle and stops it. The victim is brought to the vehicle stop and ID’s the guy that punched him.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that the perp is going to be hauled off to jail. Is that correct or is someone going to go see a judge to get an aresst warrant? And if so in Athens, TN the victim is going to be charged $75?

[CCing when posting is not as TN says it should be.]

The way Judge Bevill explained it in class was I can't be arrested for jaywalking (misdemeanor) unless the officer sees it while I'm doing it. He cannot arrest me after the fact when someone tells him they saw me jaywalking. Same with misdemeanor drug possession. If you have a joint in your pocket when he pulls you over the cop can arrest you because it was misdemeanor possession IN HIS PRESENCE. He cannot arrest you LATER after someone tells him you had it but you don't have it any more.....

So by same logic the cop would have to witness you carrying, and not just carrying,( because if he just sees you out on the street carrying with a permit that is legal) but they'd have to witness you carrying WHERE it is illegal. And unless you are on video carrying where it is not OK to carry it is largely a matter of their word (the business) against yours UNLESS the cops see you doing it. But then again WHY is your gun visible to begin with ? Why is the business filing a complaint? That largely solves a lot of the problem here......

Again I'm NOT suggesting any individual take any course of action.And this is not legal advice. Do people get arrested everyday for stuff that gets thrown out or for stuff that the DA chooses not to file charges on? Yes. Of course.

Again I'm not giving legal advice.

So… the bank security guard or the bank manager tells you that you are carrying in violation of Tennessee law (If that’s the case, and I don’t know that it is) and that he is detaining you until the Police arrive. What are you going to do…. run?

[CCing when posting is not as TN says it should be.]

T.C.A. 40-7-103(a)(1) Grounds for arrest by officer without warrant. —

(a) An officer may, without a warrant, arrest a person:

(1) For a public offense committed or a breach of the peace threatened in the officer's presence;

Also T.C.A. 40-7-118((1) Use of citations in lieu of continued custody of an arrested person.

( (1) A peace officer who has arrested a person for the commission of a misdemeanor committed in the peace officer's presence, or who has taken custody of a person arrested by a private person for the commission of a misdemeanor, shall issue a citation to the arrested person to appear in court in lieu of the continued custody and the taking of the arrested person before a magistrate. If the peace officer is serving an arrest warrant or capias issued by a magistrate for the commission of a misdemeanor, it is in the discretion of the issuing magistrate whether the person is to be arrested and taken into custody or arrested and issued a citation in accordance with this section in lieu of continued custody. The warrant or capias shall specify the action to be taken by the serving peace officer who shall act accordingly.

Of course there are some misdemeanors in which an officer can make an arrest because the offense is ongoing, such as a DUI, and some other listed in the rest of the statutes above.

Good post. Those links and the multitude of links contained in them authorize a misdemeanor arrest under every possible condition.

I’m still unclear as to what misdemeanors that you can commit that you can't be arrested for if there is a complainant.

[CCing when posting is not as TN says it should be.]

Read the statute. Strange but true.

Point me to it.

I’m not an expert on Tennessee law; so fill me in.

Shoplifting, battery, domestic violence, providing handguns to juveniles, ….and on and on. These are misdemeanors, and you are saying that Police Office has to witness them to make an arrest?

I would guess that Tennessee Police Officers have discretion on a misdemeanor, but not on a felony.