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I'm curious about the .45 GAP. How would one go about digging into the 'nother matter?
Glock wanted to be on this list....
.45 automatic Colt Pistol
.308 Winchester
.40 Smith & Wesson
.357 SIG
.376 STEYER
30-06 SPRINGFIELD
.300 H & H
.250 SAVAGE
.204 Ruger
.416 WEATHERBY
.444 MARLIN
.450 BUSHMASTER
9mm Luger
Just kiddin’ Glocksters… just kiddin’.
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I think a S&W 617 would be cool to have; same size and weight as my 686. But even used they bring a premium.
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Try this place. Lots of local guns for sale here.
It only seems to work with IE, but not Firefox.
Thats it.
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No it wasn’t Craigslist; they don’t allow firearms. Someone posted it as a link to a handgun someone was selling, but now I can’t find it. I was in a hurry and had to leave, but it appeared there were a lot of guns on it.
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Also, whenever you post in any thread there is a box at the bottom that says “Notification Type:â€. In the pull down pick "instant email notification".
You can make this the default in the User Control Panel.
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Someone had a link in a thread awhile back to a local “for sale†site that also allowed firearms. I can’t find it now, can someone help me out?
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Good that things worked out for him.
But if you ever have to do that don’t stand in the middle of your driveway with your back exposed to the street.
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Are you thinking of an incident in Lebanon, TN some time back when a man was killed trying to defend his home from intruders who happened to be SWAT at the wrong house? Don't tell the widow it can't happen. Just be sure you're not hard of hearing, so you can hear them identify themselves as police among all the background screams and breaking windows.
It’s happened in other places also. I have never been able to understand how a Police Chief or a Sheriff could be so ignorant as to allow Officers to wear subdued uniforms and masks on raids. If the warrant is important enough to put your Officers life in danger the people inside should at least be able to recognize them as Police officers when they come through the door.
I have been on many and we wore regular uniforms. We usually didn’t do a drug raid unless we had an undercover Officer or informant inside the house.
If I remember correctly the Lt. in charge of the raid in Lebanon was arrested. But I think the charges were eventually dropped.
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In my area it was on the owner. We had to secure the house until someone could be found. If no one came around, city maintenance would come out and board up the door.
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As I have said before, most of the Police Officers I know are all for armed citizens.
Now if we could get the legislators in Illinois to feel the same way as the cops; the citizens would be able to carry and the cops wouldn’t have to arrest people for something they think shouldn’t be a crime.
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Dave, just because you don't see people posting that they are professional LE, that doesn't mean they aren't on here reading and even sometimes posting. A lot of talk goes on in email loops too.
You know the old saw about what assume means.
I never used the words “Professional LEâ€. I used the words “full time copsâ€.
Glad to see we have some.
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That's the thing, I don't want carry to be restricted at all. But a badge is not a free pass to break laws which exist, even if they aren't right. Just like a carry permit isn't a free pass to break laws. But when it makes more sense to ignore a law in the interest of survival, it's a bad law, qualification has nothing to do with it.
Oh I agree with that. I will go so far as to say that I’m fine with carry without any training requirement. Training is the responsibility of the person carrying. If they violate a firearms law, pull a gun or shoot someone when they are not legally justified; they go to jail.
You and I are in full agreement about our rights. We just don’t agree where those rights come from.
I saw HR218 as a possible precursor to a federal carry permit for everyone. But then I’m looking at it from a different perspective than most people here. My friends and family can’t carry at all; no matter who they know or no matter how much they pay. I’m not a retired cop so the bill does nothing for me. But I don’t think it benefits the carry community as a whole to be pizzed off about cops or retired cops being allowed to carry when and where others can’t. (If that is even the case)
If you ignore a state criminal law on where and when you can carry you are a criminal. I can’t think of a reason why you would have to do that.
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Ok, if Federal law allows it, and State law prohibits it, wouldn't the State law be the one that must be abided by?
There are still many legal interpretations and court rulings in process on HR218.
NJ for example bans Officers from carrying in casinos. Most LE originations are warning their members to abide by states laws governing where they can carry.
If NJ can claim casinos; I would guess that Tennessee can claim bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.
On the other hand Illinois bans carry by anyone but Illinois LEO’s. But they have (so far) abided by HR218 in allowing both full time and retired Officers to carry.
I would not want to be a Police Officer that tested the carry in restaurant/alcohol restriction in Tennessee and claim HR218 allows it. If wrong; it could be a career ending move.
Maybe DBTN can fill us in on if there have been any court rulings in Tennessee?
It is expected that guidance on this law will come down from the State Attorney General's Offices, and we strongly recommend that officers wait until such time before carrying their weapons over state lines.
We would like to offer some warnings for all to heed.
First, when in another state you will be subject to the use of force laws of that state. Additionally, the laws of arrest, self defense, and firearms in other states will be different and will govern any actions taken.
HR 218 will not be a defense to possessing hollow point bullets, carrying a weapon on a school campus, carrying a prohibited weapons, carrying a weapon in a casino, etc. Some of these scenarios are illegal in certain states. Know HR 218, but also know the laws of that state in which you intend to carry!
Finally, H.R. 218 does not supersede or limit existing New Jersey law. Therefore, it remains permissible for private business and government agencies (such as casinos and schools), as many currently do, to restrict the possession of firearms on their property.
http://www.njlawman.com/Articles%202/HR218-New-Jersey-Law.htm
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Here is the answer according to the Tennessee Sheriff’s Handbook 2006.
Authority to Authorize Deputies to Carry Handguns.
Pursuant to T.C.A. § 39-17-1315(a)(1), the sheriff has the authority to authorize the carry of handguns by bonded and sworn deputy sheriffs who have successfully completed and continue to successfully complete on an annual basis a firearm training program of at least eight hours duration. The sheriff’s authorization must be made by a written directive, a copy of which must be retained by the sheriff’s office. Pursuant to the sheriff’s written directive,
POST-certified deputy sheriffs may carry their handgun at all times, regardless of the deputy’s regular duty hours or assignments. Nothing in T.C.A. § 39-17-1315(a)(1) prohibits the sheriff from placing restrictions on when or where a deputy may carry his or her service handgun.
POST-certified deputy sheriffs may carry firearms at all times and in all places within Tennessee, on-duty or off-duty, regardless of the deputy’s regular duty hours or assignments, except as provided by T.C.A. § 39-17-1350© (see below), federal law,lawful orders of court or the written directive of the sheriff. T.C.A. § 39-17-1350(a) and (d).
The authority conferred by T.C.A. § 39-17-1350 does not extend to a deputy sheriff:
(1) Who carries a firearm onto school grounds or inside a school building during regular school hours unless such officer immediately informs the principal that such officer will be present on school grounds or inside the school building and in possession of a firearm. If the principal is unavailable, the notice may be given to an appropriate administrative staff person in the
principal's office;
(2) Who is consuming beer or an alcoholic beverage or who is under the influence of beer, an alcoholic beverage, or a controlled substance;
(3) Who is not engaged in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer while within the confines of an establishment where beer or alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on-the-premises; or
(4) Who is not engaged in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer while attending a judicial proceeding.
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Have any of you ever heard of someone with a Handgun Carry Permit, who is not drinking, being arrested for carrying a handgun inside an establishment that sells beer/alcohol for onsite consumption?
Wasn’t some kind of Nashville politician arrested for walking into a place that he didn’t know served liquor? I don’t remember the exact details but I remember it being all over the news.
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I don't see how that can be misunderstood
So, the issue is not that they can legally carry anywhere they want (because, they can't)... we are pissed that they get away with breaking the law!
When law-enforcement can blatantly disregard laws which were specifically written to regulate them, it's a sign of gross competence and management issues within the LE community.
You are correct if that is the case. Besides the written law that we have internet access to; there is case law. Are there case laws on cops carrying 24/7? Let’s ask one of the forum full time cops…. Oh wait… we don’t have any.
I’m surprised at some of the people here that want to limit anyone carrying anywhere. Sure I’m obviously pro law enforcement and I got to carry anywhere I wanted any time I wanted within the confines of my state. On-duty, off duty, bars, government buildings; it didn’t matter. The only place I can remember not being able to carry a gun was if I wanted to enter a jail.
Don’t be pissed off at the cops they didn’t make the laws.
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And wasn't Whitman pinned down or stopped by law abiding citizens who had rifles?
Well…. That depends on how you look at it. People did go home at get their guns and come back. Whitman was not pinned down; he wasn’t trying to go anywhere and knew he was going to die.
Four Police Officers and a civilian entered the tower to take down Whitman. Their efforts were hampered by friendly fire coming from the ground. Not exactly what I would point to as a glowing review for citizens with guns.
Whitman had killed 14 people and wounded 31 after shooting for 90 minutes. The body count could be as high today, but no way could it go on for 90 minutes.
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So, a Metro Nashville Police Officer, visiting Gatlinburg, on vacation, is acting in the official discharge of their duties? How is that so, since they don't have jurisdiction, and the city of Gatlinburg isn't paying them to enforce the laws within the limits of the city? They are there on vacation, not there to be a cop. Ergo, they shouldn't be able to carry a firearm into a restaurant which serves alcohol.
You will probably find that Tennessee is like most states in that a Police Officer is a Police Officer anywhere in the state. I would guess that their certification is statewide; not limited to the city that hired them.
Allowing police officers to do things like ignore TCA when off-duty is the type of things that lead to a lot of cops developing a "I'm better than a civilian" attitude. Of course, the fact that cops are civilians tends to escape many of them as well.Well… at least it can lead to someone thinking that cops are like that.
I am not suggesting that it is okay for cops to ignore any firearms laws; that would be wrong. I’m suggesting that all these statements about what cops can and can’t do could possibly be
But I’m not sure.
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I am probably wrong but isn't a Cop "on duty" 24-7.
I have asked about Tennessee law on that before and have never seen any reference to the law.
Department policies don’t mean anything; it is covered by state law, I would be curious to know if it is different here.
Illinois makes no distinction between “on†or “off dutyâ€. If you are a sworn Police Officer you can carry anywhere it the state anytime regardless of what department you work for.
You could be called to act "In the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer" at any time… that would be though to do without a weapon.
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My agency issues Sigs
Are you a Police officer?
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Ok, I finally got around to reading all of this thread. Some very good thoughts in here. I agree with most of them. We need properly trained, stable minded people to be allowed to protect themselves, not only in schools, but in other prohibited settings as well. True, there are cops in schools, but not all of them. Just this year, in the school my mom teaches in, they no longer have a cop on duty. It is a middle school, but she teaches 7th and 8th grade courses. As with many schools, there are too many access points to count(8 that I can remember, maybe more). All of which I'm fairly sure are not locked during the day(It's been a few years since I've been there).
Now how can we answer this problem? I think we can all agree that we'd like to see more people doing more training (myself included). This would put more of us at ease with the growing amount of people aquireing HCP's. Do any of you think we could better this cause by joining efforts with our government to ease up on the restrictions of LEGAL HCP's with continued yearly education? Maybe requireing a set amount of course hours needed yearly on certain issues/subjects, and this would lift the ban on carrying in those restrictied areas. Now this would not affect those that do not want to further there knowledge. If it doesn't bother you to not be able to carry in certain places, then don't take the courses. But for those of us serious about not wanting to go unarmed period, then we'd have the option available to us.
I'm not sure how this would be accomplished, but there would have to be some kind of system set up that when you took a course, it was logged in with you HCP card that you keep on your person at all times. This way when you were stopped by a cop, they could run your HCP # thru the system, and all your yearly credit information would appear for their viewing pleasure. Surely this would put a lot more of the LE personal at ease, and maybe even make a few of them jealous.
But on the other hand this opens up our pockets to ther mercy of the states. You know they would want there fair share of the money made during these courses, the instructors would be required to maintain certain cridentials thru the state, and the state government would in the end decide how many course hours you would be required to take. This could become an overwhelming amount in the wrong hands.
I don't know. Just some of my thoughts that I wanted to get out of my head. What do you guys think?
I don’t think that the training is a big issue to those that oppose guns in schools. You could be trained at Quantico Virginia or LAPD SWAT and still most people will not want you to be able to carry in a school. Some don’t want guns anywhere. I think many others don’t want to give up what little hope they have left. For years they have believed that if their kids were at school they were pretty safe. The recent schools shooting in this country have put more fear in people than any terrorist could ever hope for.
The problem is that we can’t do anything about the root cause.
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I agree with that... BUT.....
some schools now have on campus officers that earn overtime, or work the 2nd job to keep schools safe...I know My kids go to Shelby county scools, both campuses (elementary, and middle) have uniformed, armed cops there.
again, I am on the fence, if she was specially trained for defending the kids, sure, but without knowing the training she had, I am assuming she is an average joe, that took the course, got her permit..and now wants to carry on campus...there are too many "what ifs" on this...like, a kids getting HER gun...
have they thought about the alternatives to keep both her and the school safe..
Like what alternatives? And I’m not arguing with you; this is a major problem that many are trying to come up with an answer to. But the fact is that the only way to stop a shooter is to stop his ability to shoot. Time is the problem; 2 or 3 minutes can mean a high body count.
Police are mostly reactive; not proactive. The department I was on put an Officer in each school. But if a shooter plans this out (as it appears most of them have); neutralizing that threat would be pretty easy, I don’t care how well trained the Officer is.
Here are some things that we know won’t work… gun control, metal detectors, searches. Most of these types of shooters are well aware that they are going to either die or spend the rest of their lives in prison; so legislation won’t matter.
In 1966 when Charles Whitman climbed the UT tower there were no policies in place for something like that. 41 years later and we still can’t prevent it, all we know is that the shooter will continue to shoot until he runs out of ammo or is killed.
No one wants to force teachers to carry guns and from what I understand most teachers don’t want to carry. But if a teacher wants to go through the proper training, keep it quiet, keep the weapon concealed and secured; I don’t see much better choices.
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I am not sure about this one being the father of three, I guess it would depend on the training she has had...it all sounds good.."lock them in the office" but if a raving idiot comes in, that may not be an option, and I would hate to think about her stray bullet killing some child... dunno bout this, I am on the fence about it...
Many parents have that concern. But in the wake of all the school shootings many Police Departments have changed their tactics on these types of shootings. Instead of trying to secure the scene and talk the shooter out, they have adopted a policy of immediately entering the building and engaging the shooter. This could cause others to be shot but the alternative is well documented in the death of many kids.
An active shooter in a building will have plenty of time to accomplish whatever he intends to do if the victims have to wait even 2 or 3 minutes for the Police to show up. Someone with the ability to stop the threat needs to be able to respond immediately.
Sad… but that’s the way it is.
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anyone know the penalty for concealed hand gun and no license in tn. first offense no record?
Ask Mike.357, see what they wanted to do to him. They wanted me to do 90 days in jail in Illinois on a misdemeanor possession charge.
It also depends on the circumstances of how they find it. It doesn’t take much to turn a misdemeanor into a felony if you commit it while armed.
thanks.
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MSRP is $300. Impact has them at $259 and there is a NIB on GB with a buy it now price of $250. So if that is new, that’s a fair price.
Academy Sports has them in the stainless model for $279.00