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Well anyway…. What I was getting at in Illinois if you believe an unarmed person is going to commit a battery on you; you can use whatever force a “reasonable person†(that means a jury) would feel is necessary. You could punch them, hit them with a baton, zap em’ with a taser; and you would be okay. But if you shot them you would go to prison. (Maybe not if you are a liberal democrat from Chicago; but it still would not be good.)
Sorry I’m using Illinois as an example, but I’m crystal clear on the deadly force laws in Illinois; I’m still learning Tennessee’s.
Oh… and BTW… even in Illinois if someone threatens you with a knife; go ahead and drop them they are bought and paid for.
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I cannot think of a situation where someone would not be justified in using deadly force but would be justified using a Taser or OC spray.
I can think of a bunch of them. But first let me ask this question …… Can you kill someone in Tennessee if you think you are about to get your azz beat? You can’t in the states I’m familiar with.
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I have no idea if this is true or not but it is posted on the web site of a company that does training in Tennessee.
In Tennessee a person does not need anything to carry a chemical agent but; they must have in their possession a training card when carrying any impact weapon -
I have not used a taser. I have used a baton or Mag-Lite on many occasions, no matter how big or doped up they were they dropped like rocks.
I have used most forms of mace and gas. It depends on the person; I have had guys fall down and cry and I have had times where it had absolutely no effect. It’s for dogs, not people.
If you are not justified in using deadly force and you can’t talk your way out of it; either use your hands or run.
From everything I have seen the taser seems to be the most effective. But seeing how people are dropping dead I doubt it will be an option much longer. (if it even is now for a civilian)
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Academy Sporting Goods has them listed on their web site for $499. They sometimes run specials in the store.
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It would have been a whole different story if you had tried to take the last Krispy Kreme; you would still be in jail in Memphis.
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Well…. It will be in the for sale section here next month, so get the Colt; more people will want it.
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I would skip a few meals and keep the 1911.
But if it’s a cost of shooting issue and you want a 9mm I second looking at the M&P. -
If you aim at the exact same point all the time what do your groups look like? Is the M&P the first handgun you have shot that has three dot sights?
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Cops ask for guns, get missile launcher
Authorities trade sneakers, gift cards for 310 weapons
RED HUBER, ORLANDO SENTINEL, August 17, 2007
Orlando Police Sgt. Barbara Jones holds a surface-to-air missile launcher that had been turned in to the Orlando Police Kicks for Guns 2007 program on Friday. Citizens can turn in a gun with no questions asked and receive a pair of sneakers. The event was held at the Citrus bowl on Church Street.
Orlando emptied its bureau drawers and closets Friday of more than 300 unwanted guns -- and one surface-to-air missile launcher.
The shoulder-fired weapon showed about 6 p.m. when an Ocoee man drove to the Florida Citrus Bowl to trade the 4-foot-long launcher for size-3 Reebok sneakers for his daughter.
"I didn't know what to do with it, so I brought it here," explained the man, who said he found the missile in a shed he tore down last week. "I took it to three dumps to try to get rid of it, and they told me to get lost."
After hefting the weapon designed to blow jets out of the sky, police spokeswoman Sgt. Barbara Jones commented, "I tell you, you never know what you're going to get."
Ancient pistols, zip guns, shotguns and assault rifles began appearing shortly after 7 a.m. in the most successful gun exchange in Orlando and Orange County. In all, 310 firearms were turned in.
"Anytime we can sit out here and have people bring us guns, it's good for the community," sheriff's Cmdr. Al Rollins said.
Traded for sneakers or $50 gift certificates, the guns that filled boxes at the Pine Castle Woman's Center on South Orange Avenue would never reach the hands of criminals.
A portable crime scene
And each gun came with a story never to be told.
"No questions asked, right?" asked one man, who questioned the promise of anonymity for everyone turning in a gun.
"Absolutely," said deputies, who described the fellow as looking like an old biker.
Moments later, he returned with a plastic bag and extracted what deputies described as a portable crime scene worth a five-year mandatory minimum sentence in federal prison. The homemade, 40-shot assault pistol turned out to be a cut-down rifle with an illegal short barrel.
"That would scare the pants off you," Rollins said.
Deputies in Pine Castle and Orlando police officers working at a second exchange outside the Citrus Bowl checked each gun against state and federal lists to find out whether it had been reported stolen.
At least four turned in at the Citrus Bowl were hot guns because police say the serial numbers had been filed off in violation of federal law.
Many could not be traced because they were made before 1968, when serial numbers became mandatory for new firearms sold in the U.S.
An unblemished 1903 .32-caliber Colt pistol caught the eye of a knowledgeable deputy who checked the Internet and found it was worth about $1,400.
Despite being more than 100 years old, it and dozens of other old handguns in various calibers still worked and would be deadly, deputies and officers said. Few of the exchanged weapons were late-model 9 mm and .45-caliber pistols, the sort used in many of the more than 100 murders last year in Orlando and Orange County.
"It's a huge success," Orlando police Detective Barb Bergin said shortly after 1 p.m. "Clearly some of the guns we took off the street today were not for sport or self-protection. Those sawed-off shotguns were clearly for committing crimes."
The gun exchange in Orlando has been held periodically for eight years with help from Clear Channel radio stations and local media, according to Bergin, who coordinates Crimeline's cash-for-tips program.
The number of "crime guns" collected Friday surprised Bergin and the officers and deputies logging the firearms.
The Orlando program and similar ones nationwide give residents a legal, safe way to dispose of unwanted firearms. At the same time, police say the guns received reduce the number that can be stolen in burglaries to arm criminals.
Last year's "Kicks for Guns" sneaker exchange collected 113 firearms and about 20 BB pistols and toy guns altered to look like real weapons.
Like 'Antiques Roadshow'
Friday's exchange had discoveries similar to a PBS Antiques Roadshow episode in which a participant comes in with an unexpected treasure.
That moment for gun aficionados was the pre-noon appearance at the Citrus Bowl of a man carrying three firearms. He dropped them off and left, saying he didn't want anything.
"I wish he'd been my father," said Officer Kevin Williams, an assistant range master and gun instructor at the Orlando Police Department. "I'd love to have them."
Worth more than $3,000, the three military-style target rifles will be destroyed just like the rusted guns worth less than $50 that were turned in, organizers said. Before going under cutting torches, guns that work will be test-fired so the bullets and cartridges can be compared to evidence in unsolved murder cases, they said.
"Somebody took really good care of this," said Williams, holding a .308-caliber M1-A Springfield rifle worth about $1,500.
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We can probably assume the car was in the driveway... how on earth could it go through a house at that angle? Would a .40 have enough power after a ricochet to go through a house?
It is my understanding that the two suspects ran between two houses across the street and the guy kept firing. The neighbor that was almost hit was sitting on his porch behind the two houses the suspects ran between. But the news stories weren’t that clear so I could be wrong.
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update..........
"LaVergne Man Faces Charges For Firing At Thieves"
A LaVergne man is facing charges after shooting at two alleged thieves.
The bullets struck two nearby homes and one almost hit a neighbor.
Jasyma Marshall believes her husband Hadeous fired a .40 millimeter pistol from their home early Tuesday in order to protect his family.
She said, “We got a phone call at like four in the morning or something from a neighbor telling him someone is trying to steal our truck, so he does not know what's going on… we are in a dead sleep, so all he is thinking is I need to protect my family or whatever is going on…â€
Jasyma Marshall, who lives LaVergne’s Lake Forest subdivision, said her husband first fired at the suspects from a window above the door.
The suspects were allegedly in the driveway, trying to steal the wheels off his car.
Upon hearing the shots, the suspects fled across the street, behind two homes.
One of the bullets shot through one of the homes, ended up coming out the other side and striking the ground right in front of where a gentleman, who lives in the second home, was sitting.
LaVergne Police Chief Ted Boyd said, “It hit the dirt in front of him and actually kicked dirt on him as he was setting there. This ended up, the guy going from a victimto a suspect.â€
Police said bullets also struck a busy kitchen area of one of the two homes damaged by the gunfire.
Jasyma Marshall said, “I know that he's sorry that it happened he told me never meant for him to use his gun…. He just had it to make him feel better; make us feel better.â€
Chief Boyd said, “He realized he done the wrong thing but you can't recall those bullets once they leave the gun.â€
The neighbors in the Lake Forest subdivision whose homes were struck by the gunfire declined to comment about the frightening incident.
http://www.wkrn.com/nashville/news/lavergne-man-faces-charges-for-firing-at-thieves/111533.htm
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I realize you are a pastor, but I don't agree. I don't feel obligated to inform anyone that I'm carrying a gun, whether at church or anywhere else. Strictly speaking, as long as I'm not breaking any laws, it's nobody else's business.
You aren’t obligated to tell anyone anything. But if I frequent a place and there are other people there carrying I want to know who they are and I want them to know who I am. It could keep you from being killed or killing an innocent person.
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Our Constitution and our founding fathers have absolutely nothing to do with this issue.
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CMP has a forum. They even have a section specifically for the M1 Carbine. You will find anything you need there.
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The guy was an idiot and should be arrested for reckless conduct.
There was no problem with “over penetrationâ€. The problem was that this guy started cranking off rounds with total disregard for the safety of anyone around him.
This is the kind of clown that has caused most states to remove the ability to protect property with deadly force.
If I was the responding Officer I would have arrested him.
Disclaimer: My remarks are based on what you posted, I didn’t see the news report and don’t have any other knowledge of the event.
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Someone needs to explain to the priest that Muslims do not hate him because of the name he uses for God.
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It is illegal. Federal law trumps state law.
Because of the wording “the lawful performance of official duties” I would say that even an off duty LEO would be in violation if he carried.
It would be interesting to see if there are any cases.
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I think people should be able to carry in a church. Would I do it, or want to…. No.
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Bridges said the shooter had three firearms, but wouldn't say what type.
Here we go.......
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If I'm Tennessee, I would not be happy accepting concealed carry permits from some states (Alabama comes to mind) where the requirements of obtaining such are ridiculously low or non-existent.
Our joint federal/state system makes this a tough nut to crack.
This is what brought me to the states rights issue. I have a friend (as misguided as he may be
) that believes if the question of the 2nd being an individual right is presented to the SCOTUS they will rule that it is an individual right and everyone can strap on a firearm and go about their normal business. I have explained to him that even if for one moment they thought that was the intent they wouldn’t rule that way; they can’t. These are different times.But let’s humor some folks and say that happened. I can assure you as sure as I’m typing this that some states like California, NY and Illinois would absolutely refuse to comply with any decision that would attempt to make them change their laws. It is my understanding that Chicago is abiding by the Federal Retired Police Officers law that allows them to carry. But I would say they would draw the line at carry permit holders doing it no matter what the Federal Courts rule.
I personally believe this is one of the reasons that the SCOTUS has not ruled on this. I believe that the other reason they have not decided to hear these cases is that if they rule it is not an individual right they would be clearing the way for these same states to outlaw firearm ownership. Or at least handgun ownership as the City of Chicago has done.
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Hmmm...
And the "states rights" side lost that war as I recall...
(sorry, just being annoying -its what I do)
Anywho...
I'm no expert on the constitution, but as I see it, there is a clause therein that pretty much says "if in this document we don't give a specific power to the federal govt, then it is reserved for the states." And there is a provision in the constitution recognizing a RTKBA. So, I suppose there could be an argument made that gun issues are federal issues since it is specifically addressed in the constitution.
On the other hand, it is pretty much a given that any state constitution that bestows more or greater rights on individuals than the federal constitution does wins out over the federal. We opt for the side of more individual rights.
And on the third hand, we have the issue of interstate commerce, something clearly regulated at the federal level (its pretty much one of the reasons we even have a federal level). Over the centuries, what constitutes "interstate commerce" has been pretty broadly interpreted, and so since arms are manufactured, shipped and used over state lines, there is a federal role to play.
So, I'm going to have to say that there is a federal-level issue in play here, and the 2A seems to recognize the RTKBA by individuals. The key becomes what power, if any, the 2A gives federal (and/or state) govts the right to regulate keeping and wearing arms. (Does "well-regulated" mean "federal laws can rightfully interpret the RTKBA" or does "well-regulated" mean "well-drilled, skilled, and practiced?")
I'm not knowledgeable enough to answer that question, but I will see a federal-level carry rule (reciprocity) would be convenient, allow some degree of consistency nation-wide and can probably be narrowly-written to not infringe on individual state's rights.
Interesting ideas.
Since nine of the eleven Federal District Court of Appeals has either ruled that the 2nd is not an individual right or have indicated they would rule that way, and the Supreme Court has not yet addressed the issue; can we (for the sake of this issue) agree that the 2nd would not be a compelling argument? Plus the 2nd amendment legal battles have been going on for well over 50 years and most of us don’t have another 50 left in us?
Tennessee’s state Constitution gives lawmakers as much freedom or restriction as they like. But that doesn’t help with you carrying a firearm in another state.
The interstate commerce idea is interesting. But groups have been trying to get a Federal Vehicle Code for ever; it hasn’t happened yet.
As far as the idea of being “narrowly-written to not infringe on individual state's rights†I’m not sure how that would work with states like Illinois and Wisconsin that do not allow their citizens to carry at all; there are no carry permits.
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Contrary to what they are teaching in some schools now, we fought a war over that…. Remember.
I see a lot of talk over federal carry laws. I think this would be a good way to get around the 2nd amendment battle that as been going on for all of ours lives.
The obvious problem I see is States Rights. What do you guys think?
(Note: if you are going to argue individual rights trump states rights you have to make that argument with a right that is recognized as an individual right.)
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I came here from IL, so I don't take the right to carry for granted.
Not saying TN can't improve, but we've got it pretty good at this point.
You have exactly the same right to carry in Illinois as you have in Tennessee.
But yea, even the Maryland laws would be a step in the right direction for Illinois.
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Let me give you all this piece of advice from a former cop. If you ever have a run in with someone, have to threaten force… or whatever. DO NOT JUST LEAVE.
Be the first caller… be the “complainantâ€. If safe to do so wait for the Officers to arrive, if it isn’t safe let them know where you are.
If you leave there is only one side to the story… theirs.
I can’t tell you how many times Officers have had to put out a pick-up on someone because the Officer did not get to talk to them. A couple of days later you are stopped, arrested by an Officer that doesn’t know anything about the case, your vehicle is towed and you are jailed.