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:doh:i understand that and wrote it twice in this thread. as long as the same discretion is given for everyone. are you seriously not getting the point here or are you just enjoying the back and forth with everyone?
What do you want to hear man? Have you not read what I have posted? Do you want to hear me say that I would treat someone that is as close to me as my brother the same way I would treat you? Do you want to hear me say that I would stick it to him over a minor traffic ticket? Let me repeat this one more time….. Not in this lifetime.
I thoroughly understand that does not set well with you. If you want to questions my morals or Professional standards, if you think this makes me a criminal or the next logical step for a cop that would do this is manufacturing evidence or lying in court; so be it.
Maybe I’m slow and I’m not getting your point… what is it?
Same discretion for everyone? Fill me in on how that would work.
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That’s exactly the M&P I want (only in black). I’m hoping someday someone will want to trade one for a .40.
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if you want to take this personally, then take it personally, i'm arguing a moral concern in law enforcement that obviously many citizens in this nation share. write a ticket, don't write a ticket, that's between you and your character and integrity, just don't respond to valid points on the subject with smart a$$ responses. debate the facts, and the facts are that the law enforecment profession is looked upon with great resentment due to its lack of character and overall stance on integrity for the position it holds in our society. Plane and simple. you can argue the small points of it all you want, be it writting your mother or pulling over a fellow LEO, the reason you feel you're being attacked is not due to the lack of LEO's on this forum or the greater number of "cop haters," it's due to the number of citizens that have a lack of respect for LEO's... the majority. I for one cannot sleep at night when i do a job and go home and think that maybe i should not have done that. and i'm just a lowly electrician.
Wow…. It’s amazing how you can get that much information about how I feel. I don’t feel that I’m being attacked personally by anyone; how about we keep it that way?
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I’ve been having some fun with this thread that’s all. By my remarks being smart azz I’ll assume you mean the remark about ticking my mom? It wasn’t meant to be smart azz it was meant to show how ridiculous it is to say that any infractions involving cops should require a ticket.
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This isn’t worth getting upset about. Cops have discretion on writing tickets. The last thing you as a citizen want to see is that discretion taken away.
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What if they distributed papers which stated that owning firearms, period, was a priviledge? Or that being alive was a priviledge? Does that make it so?
If one state or one city passes laws that violate the Constitution, and nothing is done to remedy the problem… no one has that right.
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I don't think that it's entirely unreasonable to express some 'professional courtesy'... But it does understandably skew the character of law-enforcement, in the mind of the public. Because, if cops let other cops off for minor infractions there is always the suspicion that more serious crimes behind the thin blue line might be minimized to avoid justice, meanwhile regular citizens are forced to bear the full weight of sometimes trump-up charges.
Perhaps to some minor degree what we are discussing is acceptable, but is still irrefutably a double-standard. The whole idea of giving certain people leeway above the law (or even any policy within a company), without some accountability, is never justifiable.
Realistically, I wouldn't even have as much a problem with a regulated system by which each officer was allotted a certain number of recorded 'passes' for minor infractions, to be dispensed at their discretion... at least then there would be some accountability. (I suppose this would be similar to a 'warning ticket'...)
Sure some people are going to get the wrong idea. Some will jump from a minor traffic offense to murder. That’s like saying that because we (the public) all drive with total disregard for the speed limits we would commit Burglary.
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There are bad cops, there are very bad cops. Why do you think I have offered my experiences of what to say and do to survive a traffic stop? I know cops that if you get in a pizzing match with them; you will go to jail and it will cost you thousands of dollars. I hope you never have to meet one, and I hope our discussions here will help you to realize what to say and do before it’s too late. It’s not right and it’s not fair; it’s life.
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But cops that don’t write minor traffic tickets to the guys they work with are not in that group.
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In fact I would go so far as to say that the punishment for breaking the law should be more severe for these professions. I'm not talking about traffic tickets here, I'm talking about more serious stuff like a DUI for example. Whatever punishment an ordinary citizen would get for this crime should be doubled for those in authority.
It is worse for them and they are held to a higher standard. A cop at any department that I know of would be fired for DUI. Most employers wouldn’t fire you for DUI and many can’t fire you for DUI; they have to send you to drug and alcohol abuse counseling.
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I would have been arrested and fired if I had lied in a Grand Jury hearing. Apparently cops are held to higher standards than even the president.
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We can't have it both ways. You can't appear to be letting other cops break the law and expect the general public to respect the law...after all, if the cops don't respect it, why should the citizenry at large?
If you have an "us vs. them" mentality then you will get an "us vs them" reaction from the public.
So if you brother Cool Hand Bob is a cop and I stop you for speeding and say “â€Aren’t you cool Hand Bobs brother Luke?â€, give you your license back and say “slow it down and have a nice day.â€. You going to get out and stomp your feet and demand that I write you a ticket?
If cops (or anyone) APPEAR to be taking advantage of their position then they will not be respected and will be reacted to with contempt. If someone appears to be polite and courteous he will usually be reacted to the same -at least by decent citizens. The criminals will still lie to you and try to kill you, but that is just what they do anyways.
Appear to who? That’s why I called
on that website. Cops don’t go around bragging that they got stopped by a fellow Officer; they keep their mouths shut if it happens. They are BS stories man… So if you let your buddies off for speeding but not the average joe then the average joe will become resentful to you. On the other hand apparently if you write tickets for EVERYONE -including cops and their mothers, then the cops will be resentful toward you. A no win situation I guess......Cops are arrested everyday for serious offenses; it’s on the news here all the time.
Cops could write cops tickets all day long and nothing would change. Some people are resentful of anyone with any kind of authority whether it be a cop or their boss on the job; that will never change.
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you have a tough job dave,
No I don’t. My job is pretty easy compared to being a cop.
they do have leeway. they can give written warnings or verbal warnings, that is up to their discrection. as i stated before , not just a free pass with the flash of a badge.My department did not then nor do they now issue warnings tickets; you get a ticket or you get a warning. I did not suggest that a “flash of the badge†would cause me to give someone a break. The people I said that I would not write a ticket on a minor infraction to I would recognize….. Especially my Mom.
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Another prime example of why this country is going to hell in a basket. Why in the world would anyone but drug dealers not want this law in place?
The state law, which has been in effect since 2005, requires people to buy tax stamps for illegal drugs and liquor, just as wholesalers must buy for cigarettes. The law allows the state to go after the belongings of people who are caught with illegal drugs or alcohol that don't bear the special tax stamps.
No one cares if they are only going after crack users and pot users. (Except of course the crack and pot users than are going to have their homes seized
)Unless of course someone has the idea that they can use this law to seize the assets of the old people that board buses in Nashville for the trip to Canada to buy their prescription drugs because they can’t afford them here. I have not read the law about the taxes; could it be applied to our elderly, many of whom have to decide between food and their prescription meds? It is my understanding that these are illegal drugs.
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DaveTN, clarify something for me please. Just what piece of paper are you refering to here? Sometimes I'm a little slow and I need to have things spelled out for me.
Handgun carry permit.
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So, the state of things would be the same without the 2nd Amendment? I find that hard to believe.
Absolutely. Name the states on your map that recognize the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment as an individual right.
The RKBA does not originate with the 2nd Amendment, but 2A does have alot to do with the preservation of that right.No it dosen't The Federal Courts have ruled that it protects the states and does not apply to you. The only authority left is the SCOTUS and up until know have refused to hear those cases; leaving them up to the Federal Districts. Therefore it is not a right for anyone in any state.
That piece of paper that you so proudly claim gives you some right is nothing more than a privilege that you are renting from the state of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State>Tennessee.</st1:State> A state that does not recognize the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment as an individual right anymore than <st1:State>California</st1:State> or <st1:State><ST1:pIllinois</st1:State>.
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I'd guess most criminals don't start out with big crimes. They start out small.... to be precise, they start out by lying to themselves to excuse their own actions.
Okay… you are probly right. Using the discretion given to you under state law will probably lead to violating peoples rights and then on to murder.
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I don’t think I can be accused of lying to myself or anyone else. I'm being bluntly honest; the fact that you don’t agree doesn’t make it a lie.
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Hey... don’t think I’m getting pizzed off and don’t get pizzed off at me. This forum is seriously lacking in LEO’s. I have not seen anyone other than me that has posted that they are or were a full time Police Officer that works the streets. Maybe I missed them or maybe they just don’t want to voice an opinion. How interesting would these threads be if all the cop haters just posted their BS stories without someone to calling ….
And Mark I'm not saying you are a cop hater; but there are plenty here that are more than willing to slam the cops after hearing one side of a story or just not having a clue of what they are talking about.
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What difference does it make? Is there an implication that you have to be licensed to kill to have a reasonable grasp of this issue?
Nope, didn’t imply that at all. I just wondered if some of those that are so critical of law enforcement were in any kind of occupation where they may have to make those types of decisions.
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What I’m saying openly is that if you were a Police Officer and you stopped an Officer that you work with on a simple speeding violation; they is no way on God’s green earth you would write him a ticket. I’m not saying cops are above the law (has nothing to do with it) and I guess my professional standards are seriously lacking but to suggest that you would write a cop you work with for a minor infraction is ridiculous.
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Your running radar and your Mom blows through at 15 over. You going write her also? GMAFB.
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Really?
Yes really. Roll your eyes all you want, but don’t post up a map that shows states that will sell you firearms privileges and claim it has anything to do with the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment. The title of this thread was the 2A does not exist in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State>California</st1:State>.
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I am worried my grandson has a stray army man in his backpack going to kindergarten with him. He does not think anything bad about them. No telling what a five year old will do next.
I have warned his mother to be sure what he has with him when he leaves in the morning.
it is nuts to need to worry about a toy you kid may be packing. The world has truely gone crazy.
The libs are so politically correct that their policies exclude people who are not as PC anal. Kind of hypocritical. They seem tolerant of everybody but normal people.
Mike, you give them more credit that I do. I don’t think its political correctness; I think it is just pure laziness.
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Remember when we were in school if someone got in a fight? The teachers or the dean had the monumental
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Not anymore… just create a zero tolerance on fighting in school. No muss, no fuss, no questioning or investigating, no parents to deal with; just refer to you policy and expel the victim right along with the offender.
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It exists... it just hasn't been fought for by 'the people' recently to claim and exercise it.
You know… the gun haters could not hope for a better battle plan than a bunch of pro-gun citizens hanging their right to carry firearms on the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment. They don’t have to do anything but sit back and watch..... and laugh.
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Oh wait…. That’s what’s happening right now.
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I couldn't get away with acting less than professional/responsible, and maintain my job or my carry permit... And I don't stand for it from anyone else.
What is your job?
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I do not think a reasonable person would argue with you for that line of thought.
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Giuliani said he preferred to focus on the lion's share of issues on which he and the National Rifle Association agree.Giuliani said Thursday he doesn't comment on pending lawsuits.
Sorry Rudy… when you are running for pres you don’t get to play that card.
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They are going after this guy hard. I want to hear the story of how him, the weapons and the cops all to came to be in the same place at the same time.
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You can’t own handguns in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City>Chicago</st1:City> and now they are trying to outlaw all .50 cal rifles statewide. Barrack Obama wants to outlaw all semi-auto firearms; only he wants to do it for the whole country.
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But I don’t think you face 5 years in Federal prison for it.
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Dave,
I am not saying that you are REQUIRED to write a ticket to a cop or their family. All I am saying is that as a cop you shouldn't EXPECT to NOT get a ticket.
Perk or not, Police officers should be held to the SAME or HIGHER standard as regular citizen. Preferably just the SAME standard and if you as a police officer write me a ticket for going 20 over the limit and one of your police officer friends does the exact same thing, you should write him a ticket too.
My Police Officer Friends maneuvered with me in pursuits over 100 <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:stockticker>MPH</st1:stockticker>, they had my back on family fights, man with a gun calls and traffic stops, their response time could be the deciding factor of whether I lived or died on an Officer needs assistance call. Now… I know this won’t be very popular but would I write one of those guys on a simple speeding charge? Not in this life time.
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That didn’t apply to other cops that I didn’t know though.
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http://www.copswritingcops.com/dotm/oct2006/index.html
Mars, I try, I really do, but it is getting a little harder every day.
A Cops writing Cops website…. Give me a break; you guys can’t be falling for those stories…can you? It sure does happen but those guys writing those stories aren’t cops. They are cop haters getting exactly the reaction they want.<O:p</O:p
I read the first story and I can say that if a cop called me to ask why I wrote his wife a ticket I would surely tell him. But if he told me he expected a break because he was a cop; he would have been embarrassed and had his feelings hurt, especially if anyone was around to hear it.
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But it works both ways… I gave citizens breaks all the time…. everyday. I’ll be dammed though if someone was going to tell me I’m required to write a ticket to someone because they are a cop or they are related to a cop.
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A real cop would also know that it wouldn’t do any good to talk to his PBA rep; they have noting to do with stuff like that.
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I have another legal question about Tennessee. I’m pretty sure there are no lawyers here
but I’ll post it anyway. What legal weight does a State Attorney General opinion carry? Does it mean that a Sheriff or the Chief of Metro can’t say that they don’t agree with opinion and are going to arrest people that carry openly? -
But this brings the point that one has to decide whether to OC or CC, and is OCing to them so important that it is worth being forced to interact with the man.
I wouldn’t open carry, but I’m pretty sure I could survive a stop without going to jail. If you talk with them reasonably and don’t cop an attitude about rights you don’t have; all may end well.
The guy makes it sound like the deputies were respectful of him and said the request came from the Sheriff. If I was upset enough about it to start writing letters to the paper; I think I would have first went to the Sheriff and ask to talk with him. I’m curious as to what he has to say about this.
on that website. Cops don’t go around bragging that they got stopped by a fellow Officer; they keep their mouths shut if it happens. They are BS stories man… 
LaVergne Gunshow this weekend
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I went. The turnout looked pretty good and there were a lot of vendors.
It was hot in that building.
I went with a list of stuff to buy but I couldn’t find any deals on anything I needed. I couldn’t even find any deals on stuff I didn’t need.
Guess I’ll be placing a MidWayUSA order today.