Chucktshoes

I didn't miss your point about Voldemort's actions, I addressed it and agreed with it. I have simply been debating with you about the poorly constructed and inapplicable nature of the argument you presented. As far as the idea that I am "confusing action with reaction" in viewing certain words as aggression, or even outright violence, I will let the words of the SCOTUS speak for me. The concept that words can be aggressive enough on their own to be considered an act of violence is the basis for anti-bullying, sexual harassment and other forms of civilly and criminally actionable damage. It is the primary basis on which 1st Amemndment limitations are built.

I hope he doesn't take the blatant flame bait either, I hold TMF in fairly high regard myself. Other than his willingness to accept battlefield tactics applied stateside (reference the drone debates) he seems like a cat I could have a beer with. No matter much someone is respected, they say something dumb or make a really crap argument. This was one of those cases. :D :lol:

A little over the top? Probably, but I think it illustrates my point pretty effectively that TMF's argument that saying that sort of thing isn't an aggressive act is complete bunk.

My point exactly.

It's pretty damn aggressive, wouldn't you say?

So you wouldn't view me walking up to you and telling you I banged your wife as an act of aggression? Cool. What's your wife's number?

I agree with everything in your second paragraph. The only thing I would add is that regardless of his intent, LE must be held accountable for their actions if those actions violate the law or his civil rights. One wrong does not excuse the other. As far as your first paragraph, you're not really that obtuse, right?

It is actually terribly flawed. So flawed in fact I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap a better argument, but if you type with more caps it might make it more applicable to... something. The flaw is that your example describes examples of specific acts of aggression towards an individual. Voldemort actions, stupid and ignorant as they may be, were not specifically aggressive towards anyone, just generally inflammatory and of a nature designed to elicit response from LE. ETA: I cannot believe you got me to defend that assnugget. I hope you are proud of yourself.

I'm not sure if I should be flattered or offended that so many liked my post wherein I referred to myself as a jerk. Of course, it would involve me giving a damn to feel either one. :lol:

I have a tan hat with the modernized Gonzales Flag (M4 with a star and "Come and take it" patch on the front. Funny story, that hat earned me a free lane rental at Rangemasters. I was eating lunch with my daughter at chikfila and a guy comes up and compliments my hat, then hands me his business card with a free rental written on the back. Tells me I should come by his work. Pretty cool.

It may have been a late addition, but it was a worthy one. Thank you for posting it.

Don't be shy, jump on in! I'll even start it for ya! Any use of SWAT/tactical/doorkicker/überHSLD/whatever by civilian law enforcement when there isn't the immediate danger of loss of innocent life is not only ill advised, it is an immoral and illegitimate act of war against the American public as a whole. :D

Bwahahahahahahahaha! Oh hell! That's too rich! I'll give them credit for a good one there. Oh wait, they're serious? Damn...

Disagree as I do with his actions, I do have to admit he has definitely gotten more sophisticated with his provocations.

Agreed. He is a SME in douchebaggerness.

I don't know if I would paint with such a broad brush. Not everyone is is so great. I mean, have you ever interacted with me? I'm a real jerk. :lol:

I'm not even addressing Voldemort's attention whoredom anymore. I'm making a larger point that when we seek to reclaim the natural rights usurped by the government, we cannot do so as supplicants attempting to curry favor and privilege from our masters. We must demand that they respect the natural rights that belong to every human being. These aren't privileges they ever had the authority to grant or revoke. It is well past the time we remembered that. If we can't understand that in our own minds, there is no point even engaging in the fight in the first place as the war was lost before it ever began.

I don't disagree with anything you posted. I don't like Voldemort's shenanigans anymore than you do. My point is more about how we must have our thinking correct if we are to change the minds of others and make the changes we seek. How can we convince others to respect our natural rights if we don't think of them as such? TN treats gun rights as privileges because the people thought of them as privileges.

Agree or disagree with Voldemort, this is a terrible line of thinking. Laws do not give privileges, laws infringe on rights. The idea that we have to seek permission from the state to exercise natural rights is what got us into the sorry state we are in now.

There is the stated base ideologies, and there is the actual base ideology. The stated base ideologies do differ, maybe not as much as some would believe, but it is significant. The actual basis of both parties is to maintain and increase power and wealth for the members of the oligarchal ruling class.

Money.

You may be right about the odds of a Republican working to pass an obamacare type bill would be slim, but we aren't talking about a Republican. We are talking about McCain. McCain would have reached across the aisle and been a Maverick in working with the Dems to get McCaincare passed.

I wonder how effective the HOA is going to be keeping them in line when they were placed there by HUD? In HOA vs HUD, my money is on HUD.

Fair point.

You should hang out with more .mil folks if you want more vocab additions like that. :lol: