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14 hours ago, Luckyforward said:
Friends, I'd like to offer some perspective as a mental health professional. Not trying to argue or start a conflict. I've been doing this for 40 years so my words do not come so much from an earned doctorate but from practical experience.
I applaud each and every one of you who are willing to take a call from a friend in crisis and/or hold their firearms for them. God bless each and every one of you. But in a moment of personal crisis, a friend may not want to make themselves vulnerable to you, thus, talking with an anonymous person on a national lifeline may be their best option.
Allow me to offer some feedback on the national suicide hotlines. I have worked on them. Many of you distrust them, so I am going to tell you how they work. You may believe me or not; your choice. Again, I am not seeking to start a conflict - just offering enlightenment and it is your choice what you do with it.
If you call 988 or any other lifeline you will be asked a few screening questions which have one purpose: to route you to the closest suicide hotline in your area. If you are in the Nashville area and call 988, your call will go to Family and Children's Service who has the contract to operate the suicide hotline in Middle Tennessee. A few screening questions will be asked, but whether they are answered or not, the trained telephone responder has only one goal: to persuade the caller to accept help.
What the hotlines DO NOT DO: they do not trace calls. They have no way to find out who the caller is. They have no means to call emergency services UNLESS the caller offers their address. There is no attempt to take firearms away. No databases of names are kept and turned over to LEOs or anyone else. In the moment a call comes from a suicidal person, the only agenda is to talk to them long enough that they give their address for EMTs to come to them or hopefully calm the person to the extent when they hang up on you, hopefully, they will not take their life. The cops are called ONLY if the caller gives their address.
These call centers do not have the funds for equipment to trace calls. Doesn't matter if you use your own cellphone, a burner phone, or (for anyone who still has one!) a wired phone - there is not money in these agencies to acquire such technology, even if it exists. Call center workers have some background in mental health and are trained to talk with someone long enough that they will give their address and allow emergency services to respond.
IF THE CALLER DOES NOT OFFER THEIR ADDRESS THERE IS NO WAY TO DIRECT ANYONE TO HELP THEM. THERE IS NO "SECRET SYSTEM" TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE OR WHERE THEY LIVE.
So I have worked in such a call center. On a very cold night in January a gentleman called me and talked about taking his life. He wouldn't give me his address and then - as now - I had no way to trace it. The only thing I had was my training as a mental health therapist to get him to talk; if I could get him to talk as long as possible the hope is that his emotion would lessen, match his logic, give me his address and I could get 911 to him so he could get to an ED.
We talked for four hours. At the end, I heard a huge "BANG" and the line went dead. As did the caller. I still have dreams about what else I could have said . . . I never knew who he was or where he lived. We had no way to trace the call.
Guys, this isn't about "red flag" laws, tracing phone calls, or "the government." Hotlines try to keep people alive. And when they do not, the hotline worker gets counseling because of the massive guilt and disappointment they feel. Because when the caller kills themselves, the hotline worker feels like a failure. I know . . .
None of you know me and none of you have any reason to believe me, but if the only thing you can get a friend to do is to call a national/state lifeline . . . get them to call.
I have offered my perspective and am not going to argue/justify my words. Accept or reject these statements as you wish. And may life be good to you all.
Thank you for trying to dispel some of the myths. In a time of real crisis, you probably shouldn’t let politics override your mental health but it’s still great to push the truth.
Side note, anyone know how to make all of the text appear as plain text? I found this post incredibly difficult to read but don’t want him to have to change it just because my eyes don’t work right.
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“…..should always carry.”
nope. Some shouldn’t even own a gun, much less carry it. Everyone should be interested in their own protection and take some precautions and have some level of training with their preferred method. But I’ll never tell someone that they don’t do enough because they don’t carry.
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38 minutes ago, Sleep profit said:
Liberals never let a tragedy go to waste. To. Push an agenda
You misspelled “everyone”
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2 minutes ago, TGO David said:
I would say that it also matters what they are told about the police by their peers, their community. But, yes.
This is vicious cycle, unfortunately. All of it. In the 26 pages of this thread so far, I have read a staggering number of responses that amount to addressing the symptoms of a problem, but not many things that get to the actual root of the problem.
Our culture is broken because we've allowed it to become broken. This occurred over literal generations of lifetimes, not all at once. We're perhaps seeing the decline of our culture accelerating now because the rate of decay has reached critical mass and changes are happening faster now than ever before, but it certainly did not all happen overnight.
Mane this is close to what I was trying to say!!!
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31 minutes ago, deerslayer said:
I don’t see what harm they are doing, but I haven’t witnessed the “prison guard” analogy in action.
Your relationship with police is very different from kids growing up in the poorer parts of town. He’s officer friendly to those growing up in the suburbs. He’s the enemy to the boys in the hood. That’s another issue, well collection of issues, entirely. But it’s the way it is.
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3 hours ago, deerslayer said:
If we put Robocop or Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in schools and they terrorized children, I might agree with your concerns about SROs. But we don’t, at least not around here. The admittedly few SROs I know about or have experience with are actually fairly popular among students. They clown with the kids and get along well with faculty. Some schools even list their SROs as staff on the websites. My experience with them is mainly in suburban schools, but it would be a mistake to assume they are merely protectors and not enforcers. Suburban schools have many of the same problems as inner city schools.
If by “concessions” you mean compromises granted to more restrictive gun control proposals, I’ll pass. I’ll willingly consider any gun control proposal that passes a simple two step litmus test - first, will it actually help solve the issue? Second, are those proposing the change sincerely trying to solve the issue? Is their proposal merely one of the prongs in a bigger agenda? Have they actually educated themselves about what they are proposing? Do they want to take guns while hamstringing police? Do they also claim that NRA members are all terrorists? When politicians propose banning AR-15s because the Nashville shooter was “able to fire 152 rounds in 15 minutes” (something any of us could pull off with a single action revolver), I can’t take them very seriously. It’s a rare day when the latest proposed gun control laws pass my sniff test.
I didn’t say let’s not put cops in schools. I said that should be nothing more than a stop gap or bandaid. Actually, let’s do it today and call it a tourniquet. It’s the best solution right now but will cause a different harm if left too long.
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33 minutes ago, BigK said:
To be fair, I have no clue what an average democrat is, but I don't associate with radically left people. I presume that means the only peopel from "the other side" that I interact with are the more moderate ones. If they are average, I find most to be Fudd democrats that only want to allow hunting weapons. They don't believe mass shooters use hunting weapons, so they seem to have similar goals as the radically left, they just have a stopping point for their confiscation plans.
The average democrat is the one that isn’t shoving their opinions down your throat. They are the ones that quietly vote for Obama and Hillary and Biden. They are the average American. Much the same way that there is an average republican doing the same.
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2 minutes ago, btq96r said:
These are salad days for gun owners unless you're fixated on full auto.
And I’m is!!!! Until we can buy sheen guns, there is still work to do.
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8 minutes ago, BigK said:
Fair enough, but I think you eluded to the unavoidable impediment. One side wants to solve the problem and the other side only wants to confiscate gun from law-abiding citizens. All they bring to the table is "get rid of guns" that's why there can't be a reasonable discussion. They bring bullhorns, mindless chanting, and signs, not reason, logic, or practicality.
You are wrong. Have you ever had a real discussion with someone from “the other side?” They want to solve the same problem but they view the path to get there differently. Im talking about the average democrat here. Not the ones in DC and not the talking heads on TV.
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1 hour ago, BigK said:
"Concessions for the kids" is right out of the socialist/communist textbook. That's how they disarm society. Our Constitutional rights have been conceded repeatedl:
- National Firearms Act (1934)
- Federal Firearms Act (1938)
- Gun Control Act (1968)
- Firearm Owner Protection Act (1986)
- Gun-Free School Zones Act (1990)
- Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993)
- Federal Assault Weapons Ban (1994)
Have the anti-gun side given any concessions? Even one?
You misunderstand my point. I can see why it was taken that way. Both sides MUST agree to honest and open discussion. Not debate. Discussion. Progress towards a common goal cannot happen without that. And currently, no one is willing to have a discussion. Politicians are more interested in remaining in office, while their constituents are too busy demonizing one another.
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I’ve had a long time to mull this over and I believe that my opinions are about to be incredibly unpopular and some of you will likely view me differently, if you had an opinion of me at all.
But I’m reminded of the cliche that freedom isn’t free. I’m heartbroken for the families and friends that lost their loved ones. I do not view this as anything other than the tragedy that it is. And I know that cliche isn’t typically used this way but it’s the other side of the coin. Sometimes bad things are going to happen.
There are precautions we can take to minimize these risks but I’m not sure how I feel about police in schools. I understand that the world is different than my generation and those older than me grew up. But we didn’t have that. Children already think of schools as prison and uniform patrol is going to be the prison guards. I don’t believe that this is going to be healthy for our youths in the long term.
I’m okay with this strategy if we are using it as a bandaid with a limited life span. But we must attack the root of the problem and begin to reform our society. I don’t know what that involves or what it looks like. I’m not smart enough and haven’t done the required research. But I know it must happen soon or we already much too late. I fear the future. I fear for our children.
The strongest moves anyone could make right now would be to sit down at a bipartisan table and have honest discussions. Lay out the goals and begin to map a path to achieve those goals. We aren’t all going to get what we want. But we must all recognize that concessions we make at that table are for the betterment of our children and ultimately our society’s future.-
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19 hours ago, kb4ns said:
Catch up!
Hmmm. Rings a bell but still just can’t quite place the name. Haha
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41 minutes ago, kb4ns said:
I came back to TGO for this thread. I just didn't know it until I got here...
And you are????
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2 hours ago, Erik88 said:
Weeks like this make me think our entire financial sector is just a scam that has been propped up by rock bottom interest rates for a decade. It feels like monopoly money. "Stonks only go up". I would not be surprised if the entire house of cards comes crashing down in my lifetime.
You’re starting to catch on.
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17 hours ago, ck1 actual said:
Zerohedge is the best source for economic news. If you don’t read ZH daily you are not going to make it.
All eyes on Credit Suisse next. This party is just getting started.
Guess I ain’t gonna make it.
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1 hour ago, 10-Ring said:
A former co-worker lived by this strategy. He told me that I shouldn't accept a job making more money because people who earned more were more likely to loose their job during tough economic times.
That’s both terrible and genius.
I was just joking.
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1 hour ago, TripleGGG said:
It is going to be a rough ride. This has been coming for a long time. I just hope most people learned from the past and protected themselves as much as possible. As @KahrManshowed above. NEVER have all your eggs in one basket.
If you don’t have eggs, it doesn’t matter what happens to the basket!!!!
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On 3/7/2023 at 8:14 PM, Jeb48 said:
Police officers provides protection to a black civilian moving house in the Southside neighborhood of Chicago during the 1919 Chicago race riot
That looks less like they are providing protection than ensuring he does what they tell him to do. Generally providing protection requires looking AWAY from your protectee.
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1 hour ago, gregintenn said:
Reason I say riding on the shoulder is a bad idea is mainly because that’s where all the trash and debris that causes flat tires ends up. You are well aware of how much fun a flat motorcycle tire is I’m sure.
Oh I absolutely understand.
But we are talking about 5-20 mph for usually less than a couple miles. I’d take that chance to keep the bike from overheating or myself from getting smashed by inattentive drivers. Tires are cheap. Engines and hospital bills are not.
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1 hour ago, OldIronFan said:
Less than 80 days now till I depart for my next long ride. Should be a bit more than 10,000 miles this time around. Just have to burn the last off this current set of tires and get some new ones mounted next month.
I stopped by the shop Tuesday and ordered a new front tire. I haven’t ridden mine enough cause it was dry rotted and cracked all over the sidewall. Hope to have it installed next week. Admittedly I haven’t ridden as much I want to. -
2 hours ago, gregintenn said:
I hate helmet laws, although you’ll never see me on a bike without one.
Lane splitting is a very bad idea in my mind. So is riding on the shoulder.
The shoulder bill was limited to interstate and highways. And it was only under very specific circumstances. And you couldn’t go more than 5 mph faster than traffic, and only to the next exit. In my mind, it was a perfect bill to protect us and our bikes.
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25 minutes ago, Darrell said:
TN legislature is considering two new proposals: One, HB0042/SB1450 , will allow motorcyclists to ride without helmets, with some exceptions. The other, SB0298/HB1454, will allow lane splitting (or filtering).
I first started riding on the street in California in the early 70's, where helmets were not required and lane-splitting was legal. I'm old now, and more cautious, and I personally would not ride on the street without a helmet, but I think that those who want to should be allowed. I REALLY like the idea of legal lane-splitting, which makes a lot of sense to me. I think the main opposition to lane splitting is that some people hate to see motorcyclists get to move a little more freely.
If you ride, check out the proposals.
A few years ago they had a bill to allow us to use the shoulder on the interstate in cases of traffic Jams. It failed but I liked the bill.
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1 hour ago, deerslayer said:
Right, but was STEU also recently deactivated? The article made it sound like STEU would be doing a lot more than random traffic control.
They will be doing traffic stops on the interstate but unlike scorpion, I do not believe they roll as a unit. And no, they weren’t recently deactivated. It’s been several years at least.
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