cadillacdude1975

thanks DB. im watching.

anyone have the direct link to the video? my firefox is being stupid this morning.

lets get it on.

i saw that very thing as well.

got a response last night from Bo Watson. Bo Watson to me show details 10:46 PM (9 hours ago) Reply Vote is planned for tomorrow. I have supported this legislation on 2 previous occasions. I have been provided no additional information at this point that has changed my position. Bo

i got a response back from Rep. Flyod. im pretty sure this one was typed by him and not one of those auto letterheads. from Richard Floyd <rep.richard.floyd@capitol.tn.gov> hide details 7:00 PM (2 hours ago) to me <cadillacdude1975@gmail.com> date Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:00 PMsubjectRE: HB0962 override Reply Thank you for your support !!! Rep. Richard Floyd

found this post over on the commercial appeal. If you can not bring guns into an age restricted venue, those venues that allow smoking will be GUN FREE! Is that correct? i guess that is true. but every restaurant in tennessee is smokefree anyway so that is a worthless observation as far as i am concerned.

sent a thank you to Rep Flyod. he was one of the co sponsors of the bill. i also sent oen to Sen Bo Watson as well.

i saw somewhere that Bredesen has used his veto powers a total of 6 times while he has been in office. of the 6 (i do not know if this one is in that count) not counting this one, have any of them gone back to the house for an override vote of the veto and if so, what was the outcome? did they ever make it to the senate?

LOL i just got an email from Bredesen. i am sure its probably a form letter, but anyway, here is a paste of that. enjoy! June 3, 2009 Dear Rob: Thank you for contacting me about gun-related bills which have been considered by the General Assembly this year. Let me be very clear: I am a strong supporter of the right to keep and bear arms. I am, and have always been, committed to preserving the rights of the Second Amendment. They are basic American rights, protected by the United States Constitution and the Tennessee Constitution as well. Even so, these rights, for more than two centuries, have come with reasonable and necessary rules and guidelines. For this reason, I carefully consider each bill that reaches my desk and evaluate it on its own merits. As you know, I decided to veto House Bill 962, which would permit the possession of firearms in Tennessee restaurants and bars. In my view, this particular bill crossed the line of reason. I have been a gun owner for more than 50 years. When I was a young man, I took my first gun safety class-sponsored by the NRA-at my high school. There was one message conveyed during that class that has been imprinted on me since, and it was this: guns and alcohol don't mix. That is as true today as it was then. It is because of this principle that Tennessee state law has long prohibited the possession of firearms in places that serve alcohol. House Bill 962 would remove this safeguard in a manner that I, as well as many law enforcement officers, believe would be reckless and lacking safeguards to ensure public safety. A key role of government is to ensure public safety. To do that, government must strike a balance between the rights afforded to us by the Constitution and common-sense rules that must be applied to the exercise of these rights. I believe we can exercise our second amendment rights and common sense at the same time - and guns and bars simply don't mix. Because of this, I vetoed this bill and respectfully asked the legislature to rethink this issue. As other bills reach my desk-including legislation related to guns in parks, loaded firearms in automobiles, and others-I intend to review them carefully with both the Constitutional rights of gun owners and the safety of the general public in mind. Please be assured that your views are, and will remain, important to me on these issues and others related to state government. Warmest regards, Phil Bredesen

hot damn. about time.

Roy Exum has never been afraid to speak his mind. too bad he isnt governor.

can this please be moved to the Tennesse political forum? i put it here by accident.

Candidates Independents Confirmed Carl Whitaker, Native American Indian Movement Chief[/url] James Reesor, Tennessee Author Democratic Party Confirmed Kim McMillan, former State House Majority Leader and former Senior Advisor to Governor Phil Bredesen Roy Herron, State Senator Ward Cammack, Businessman Mike McWherter, buisinessman, former Attorney, Son of Gov. Ned McWherter Potential Jim Kyle, State Senate Minority Leader Declined Tim McGraw, Country singer Lincoln Davis, U.S. Representative, 4th district Harold Ford, Jr., 2006 Senate candidate and former U.S. Representative, 9th district Andy Berke, State Senator Republican Party Confirmed Bill Gibbons, Shelby County District Attorney Zach Wamp, U.S. Representative, 3rd district Bill Haslam, Mayor of Knoxville Ron Ramsey, Lieutenant Governor Potential none as of yet. Declined Bill Frist, former Senate Majority Leader

so who do we want? place your thoughts here. Zach Wamp or Ron Ramsey? i would lean for Wamp, seeing how he is a Chattanooga boy. he has done a ton for the area, including securing funding for the refit of the locks at the TVA dam here in town. both are A+ rated with the NRA, but recent events with the current boob in office show that can mean all or nothing. with bredesen being a road block recently, and his letting things go in to effect with no signature, i think its time to change the guard to the republican side to see what can happen. i think the results would be great, provided the correct person gets elected. i guess we will have to stay tuned. pros? cons? post them up. its time to debate. im bored. LOL

when it is voted to override, it will be dust under the desk in 6 months. no one will even care about all the hype it is getting now.

but the constant question arises how do you define official duties? would that be a call placed from the school or bar etc to the PD for some incident? police officers are often a deterrent for illegal activity just by the mere presence, no call needed for anything. can that be described as "actual discharge" of the duties? there are far too many gray areas in tennessee laws as far as i am concerned.

i know chattanooga needs to replace the current mayor. he will not be getting my vote.

Firearms and Ammunition - As introduced, allows person with handgun carry permit to carry in restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages as long as such person is not consuming alcoholic beverages and such restaurant is not an age-restricted venue. - Amends TCA Title 39, Chapter 17. age restricted venue would be a bar. you must be 21 to be in such a place. Chili's, Red Lobster, O'Charley's etc do not impose an age restriction, you simply get carded for alcohol (supposed too anyway). that is what i gather from the wording. edit: does anyone know if this override will be on the agenda for the house and senate monday? if so, will it still become law monday if the override vote is successful?

unless i missed something as well, actual bars would still be off limits.

i sent this email to WRCBTV3 here in chattanooga, they once again are reporting this story under the title Guns in Bars. i have had enough of this misrepresentation. the story is here. Guns in Bars Backlash - WRCB Channel 3 Chattanooga News, Weather | my email was this: to whom it may concern, this email is in about your website story Guns in Bars Backlash - WRCB Channel 3 Chattanooga News, Weather | and you have titled it "Guns in Bars". channel 3 is not the only station to be guilty of misrepresenting what this impending legislature is about, and the other stations will be getting an email from myself and many others as well. this bill has never been about the legal permit holder carrying in a BAR. it is illegal to do so under current law, and it will still be illegal to do so under the proposed change to the law. i am sick and tired of the media blowing this subject so far out of the water. the entire uproar over the bill is based off hype the media has created. you all post links for everyone to read about the bill, but the title your site has given the bill convicts us, the permit holder, before anyone ever bothers to actually read the wording of the pending bill. let me refresh your minds on EXACTLY what this bill proposes to change: http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Amend/SA0204.pdf what this amends is the current restriction where alcohol is served for on site consumption. the definition between a restaurant and a bar is as follows:. ( As used in this subdivision ©(3), “restaurant” means any public place kept, used, maintained, advertised and held out to the public as a place where meals are served and where meals are actually and regularly served, such place being provided with adequate and sanitary kitchen and dining room equipment, having employed therein a sufficient number and kind of employees to prepare, cook and serve suitable food for its guests. At least one (1) meal per day shall be served at least five (5) days a week, with the exception of holidays, vacations and periods of redecorating, and the serving of such meals shall be the principal business conducted. having said that, does the local hole in the wall downtown have a wait staff? do they serve regular meals prepared by a staff at least once a day? no and no would be the correct answer. the question was brought up "well who is going to police/oversee that the permit holders are not drinking?" do you all know the headache that we have to go through to obtain a Tennessee Handgun Permit? you can not have so much as the first misdemeanor on your record. minor traffic offenses are allowed, but you can not have any marks on your background at all. permit holders are law abiding, that means clean backgrounds, that means we do not cause trouble, and the right to carry our firearms for self defense is cherished. the penalty is loss of the permit to carry and loss of the firearm. there are over 10,000 handgun permit holders in Hamilton County alone. how many of us are out there causing problems at Walmart, McDonalds, Walgreens, in line at the bank, pumping gas at the local Kangaroo, sitting behind you in church or walking downtown, and holding the door open for your elderly mother as she takes her groceries to her car? and again, the answer is NONE. out of the 37 other states that allow carry where alcohol is served, has there been any shootouts and massive killings? NO, there has not. the laws do nothing but restrict the law abiding citizen and nothing for the criminal. the criminal does not care about background checks or the laws that are posted. they are criminals. they do not abide by the law. so while you are out eating somewhere, stop and look at all the people surrounding you. crime is very high in chattanooga. who would you want sitting next to your family at a place like Red Lobster or Chili's? do you want a law abiding honest citizen dining with his family unarmed, or do you want to sit next to a convicted felon who is scoping you out to be his next target? think about that next time your leaving somewhere at night. there are more people killed or injured from drunk driving and crime every year than anyone hurt by a legally owned handgun. a handgun is a tool. the handgun does not know right from wrong, it simply does the bidding of its master. if its master is a muderous felon, then the handgun will act accordingly. guns do not kill people, people kill people. it disgusts me to no end how one sided the media is towards this issue. the media used to report the facts on both sides, not lean towards the ones that make the public spotlight reflect on what side is taken. carrying a firearm is a right granted to myself by the United States Constitution and the Tennessee Constitution. it is a privilege for me to be able to do so. i pray i never have to draw my firearm in defense of my life, but with as rotten as todays world is, you never know what is going to happen one day to the next.

and the argument being if there is a serious enough call, the cop could take off in the middle of said consumption. that is the loophole. when can you define "off duty".

tell me that wasn't a planned event...........to veto the bill the same day all the LEOs were in town.

you can forget even trying to get Naifeh to change his vote. permit or not, he has voted no on this legislation from day one.

i have but one thought on the matter. that son of a bitch.