cadillacdude1975

i wish Tennessee was like a couple of other states that have the law that posted signage means nothing.

yup. refresh the page. the numbers start over from the first time the page loaded.

i dont think this will go anywhere because of the strapped budgets that most police departments have to operate with. if any more money is handed out for the police departments, it should be given to the men and women in uniform as pay increases. i really do not think this will go anywhere. they need to amend current laws like that bullsh*t park carry bill to make a state law a state law.

the TBI is the redundant factor in a gun purchase. NCIC and the ATF are already involved. why use the TBI? they suck.

how could it get revoked if all you did was move to another state? there is a window for you to change your legal residence.

52% for yes now.

been looking since march.

well it was stupid to ever give the cities the option to enact a state law. a state law should be just that. a state law. we should have seen this headed this way when the option to be in or out was put in the bill.

council voted 9 - 0 for opting out. and that fat bastard manny rico had the balls to tell the media he is a 2nd amendment supporter and believes in everyone's right to carry a firearm for personal protection but no in this case. you are either for it or against it in my book. when one of them is held up at gunpoint in one of these gun free zones, i will be laughing my ass off.

Tennessee is an employment at will state, meaning you or your employer may terminate said employment for any reason at any time. only contracted workers with signed contracts are exempt from this law. if you dye your hair purple and pink and go to work, they can fire you for breaking the dress code. you can be fired for anything at anytime in Tennessee. period.

who is going to this meeting? and here is the link to the email i jsut sent all 9 council members. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/2nd-amendment-issues/23960-signal-mountain-town-hearing-2.html#post318704

since when is the Tennessee Aquarium off limits? i have been there numerous times and i have never seen a sign that says anything about carrying.

here is what i just sent all 9 members of the council: Dear council members, First off, I hope each and every one of you take the time to read this email, and not just scan over it or trash it because of the title. There is a sensitive issue up for debate and possibly a vote tonight, and I would like to take a moment of your time to explain a fw things from the "average tax paying joe's" perspective. We all know that the Tennessee General Assembly passed a law recently that is about to go in to effect, and that law allows the law abiding citizens of this great state to carry legally owned handguns in to state and local parks provided the person has the Tennessee Handgun Carry permit, or a permit that this state honors. Tennessee honors all other states gun permits. That is millions of legal, law abiding tax paying family men and women who get up and go to work and come home every day to provide for his or her family. This issue over legal carry of handguns that is up for debate tonight is a very sensitive issue, and I will not deny that one bit. My personal safety is my utmost priority and I took steps a few years back to ensure that I will not be a victim of some senseless crime. Chattanooga has become a very violent city recently. There was a report on WRCBTV.COM last night over the recent amount of shootings that the Chattanooga Police Department has dealt with since June 1, 2009. If you missed that report, since 6-1-2009 there have been 13 shootings in the city. That my friends, is unacceptable. That number is too high, and the gang problem that is in this town is doing nothing but getting worse. Let me remind you that from what I have read, all these shootings have been committed by criminals who have no reguard for the law or anyone else. You all have read the reports all over the internet, you all have read the facts. The law abiding legal handgun owners of this state have been carrying legally owned firearms for over 10 years. There has never been a mass shooting anywhere by a legal permit holder. Just last week, 4 men in memphis tried to rob at gunpoint a travelling jewelry salesman. What his would be assailants did not know, was the intended victim was a legal permit holder from a neighboring state. The 4 men approached the salesmen, he produced his own legal handgun and shot 2 of the 4 and they were in the hospital in critical condition the last update I heard. The other 2 men drove off, abandoning their crime partners. Before the attempted crime, those 4 men were all together. The attempted robbery is thwarted by a legal permit holder, and the 2 that were not shot showed the utter disreguard for life, and left the 2 critically wounded partners in the street bleeding and in very serious condition. I can sit here and tell story after story about handguns, but the fact remains that everyone, including local law makers are so scared of offending the "soccer moms" who perceive guns as evil, they will do anything to make the situation go away, even if that includes showing a disreguard for public safety. The permit holders of Tennessee have been dining in places that do not serve alcohol for years and years, and no one has raised such a fuss over that. Why? the handguns stay concealed, and concealed is out of sight, out of mind. The same thing would relate to carrying in the local parks. When I am out in public, my handgun stays concealed. no one knows that I am carrying, and it is no ones business if I am either. The process of obtaining a handgun permit in Tennessee is a very long and drawn out process that involves several background checks. You have to take a state certified gun safety course, then take that completion certificate and your money with the completed permit application to one of the DMV offices. You have to show your drivers license, birth certificate, proof of your address and your social security card. After the fee is paid, the applicant must call the TBI and schedule a digital fingerprinting session. The prints are then sent to the TBI and the ATF for background checks. A Tennessee Handgun Carrry Permit holder is not allowed no more than traffic tickets on his or her record before getting approved to carry a handgun. When you go to a gun dealer and purchase a new weapon, guess what? You have to submit that same information (no birth certificate or SS card), fill out a lot of paperwork, then the TBI is called to run your background on the spot. my point in explaining this is to make the point to you that the LAW ABIDING LEGAL HANDGUN OWNER THAT HAS THE HANDGUN PERMIT is not the problem in Chattanooga or anywhere else in the United States. If a permit holder gets in trouble, they risk the loss of the permit and quite possibly the firearm as well. I can not stress this enough. It just disgusts me that the media has twisted a simple law so hard it has everyone jumping to conclusions and all these end of life scenarios over LEGALLY ARMED LAW ABIDING citizens carrying handguns. Criminals do not care what laws you pass, they do not wait for digital fingerprints to be taken, they do not care where they can or can not carry a gun, they will carry one anyway. I will be present tonight at the Council meeting, and I hope I am given the chance to speak about this issue. I am only one voice, but remember there are over 100000 handgun permit holders in Hamilton County alone, and I would make the assumption that 8000 of them are registered voters. Stop and ask yourself this one question. Have any of the 10000 legal permit holders in Hamilton County ever caused a problem? The answer is no. It is time to take a stand, and let Chattanooga set the example in Tennessee by saying we will not bow down to the criminals, our parks in Chattanooga are safe. Remember, when secounds count, the police are only minutes away. One final note, by voting to ban legal handguns in all local parks, this also opens up another issue that I am not sure anyone has thought about. In 2004, then President Bush signed in to law HR 218, also known as the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act. This bill was basically created to allow retired and off duty police officers the right to carry a firearm anywhere WITH EXCEPTIONS. The exception to that law states that in states like Tennessee that have the power to regulate the carrying of firearms on property, in buildings, parks etc, the officer off duty or retired must follow the state law. By voting to enact a handgun ban, it will then be ILLEGAL for an off duty police officer or a retired police officer to carry a handgun in any park that is properly posted per Tennessee law. Are we ready to take that step to basically surrender our parks to the thugs? Here is a portion of that law, and the link to the entire text of HR 218. One Hundred Eighth Congress of the United States of America AT THE SECOND SESSION Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the twentieth day of January, two thousand and four An Act To amend title 18, United States Code, to exempt qualified current and former law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed handguns. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004'. SEC. 2. EXEMPTION OF QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM STATE LAWS PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED FIREARMS. (a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926A the following: `Sec. 926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law enforcement officers `(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection ( . `( This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that-- `(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or `(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park. Here is the link to the entire text of the bill: H.R. 218 Final Text I strongly suggest you have the city attorney read that and compare it to the Tennessee laws on handgun carry. It is clearly stated: This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that prohibits or restricts the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or parks. With the state making this law a local opt in or out, the ball falls in your hands. With the law stating that, it is a crime for the off duty or retired LEO to have a handgun in a restricted area. I will see you all tonight. I hope that the Council makes the correct choice, and that choice is show your support for the law abiding citizens and vote NO on the handgun ban. Thank you for your time. Rob Bodenbender 30+ year Chattanooga resident.

did you inform them that by voting to ban handguns in the parks, that also includes offduty and retired LEO as per this law from HR 218 SEC. 2. EXEMPTION OF QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM STATE LAWS PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED FIREARMS. (a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926A the following: `Sec. 926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law enforcement officers `(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection ( . `( This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that-- `(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or `(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park. it is now as illegal for off duty leo and retired leo to carry in those parks as much as it is now illegal for the permit holder. i will state this tues night at the Chatt. city counsil meeting.

post count tracking is for forum whores. it is just like having the rank enabled on a game server. waste of time IMHO.

Chattanooga and Red Bank HAVE NOT passed the handgun ban yet. Chattanooga has the meeting tomorrow (tuesday) night on lindsay street at 6pm and the park carry is listed on the agenda. Red Bank discussed the issue last week, but it was deferred to the next council meeting in the middle of the month.

when moving, do the address change online. it will update the HCP records as well. i dont give a flip what address is on my DL or permit as long as the system has them properly listed. when i renew them both, they will have the correct address listed. i heard that for an address change, they run another background check on you and that is what takes them so long.

how many parks does Signal Mountain have?

7/10/2009 - Signal Mountain Agenda For Monday - Breaking News - Chattanoogan.com the meeting is tomorrow, Monday evening the 13th at 6:30 p.m. at the Town Hall. the link to the agenda is at the start of the post.

Springfield did the homework on the ergonomics of the XD platform. the backstrap area of the XD is far superior to that of a Glock IMHO. and that is coming from a Glock owner.

posting the address for the meeting might help the turnout.

when i applied for mine in late 06, i had to show DL, SS Card and the birth certificate and i think 2 pieces of mail that were no older than 30 days. dont quote me on the mail, that might have been for a handgun purchase. i really dont remember exactly.

so many dates for so many new laws. i thought this one had an effective date of 7-1-09. thanks for pointing my oversight out.

september 1st?

yeah i knew it was possible, i was just wondering if anyone here in the forums had actually accomplished the task. the amusing part would be the looks on peoples faces when the gun is pulled out and shown to be unloaded, etc. it sure would be nice if the laws and regulations allowed for citizens with carry permits to go armed on flights. i really think that will never happen. i wonder if it were legal, would it have any change in the ratio of aircraft crime?