Fallguy

Yep only thing showing on schedule for now is Wed, but guess that can always change. I take it we know for sure that Todd wasn't able to put it on notice before they adjourned Thursday? My guess on suspending the rules comes from not wanting it to look like something "out of the norm" was done to get it passed.

A reciprocity agreement just means there is a formal written agreement to honor each state's permits. Before the law changed in many states this was required before a state would honor another state's permit. Now several states, like TN, either honor all permits from any state or at least don't require formal written agreements. Handgunlaw.us is a good place to check on the carry laws of each state. Also this thread on TGO has some good info http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/firearms-law-faq/13408-reference-material-some-basic-questions.html Including this map

Let's try not discuss the not tipping servers topic anymore. I think all have made their opinons clear and if goes any futher it looks like it will spiral into personal attacks and places the thread really doesn't need to go. Thanks!

I don't think so. It would be filed in the Davidson Co Chancery Court and assigned to a judge. Best I remember there were 4.

Yep, I have a Class B and M

But again...them who? It's not a class action suit, it's not some server's union that is filing the suit. It is a small group of individuals. Those who filed the suit aren't going to be influenced by others that happen to have the same job as them just because they are getting grief from HCP holders. Their lawyer is for sure not. I'd be willing to bet that several servers are already on our side. It's not your method I'm disputing per se and for sure not your spirit, it's just the idea of targeting all of a group for the actions of some. Especially when the group as a whole has no direct control or influence over the some.

Well if she couldn't hear it before, how could she now...or anyone esle in the same court? While I won't say there is no emotion in court ruilings, they are supposed to be based primarily on the facts, which I think are more than on our side. I'm just saying it's worth a try. Much better than negative press based on any of us doing anything stupid anyway. I have no problem with getting in their face, but sometimes the louder you yell the less anyone listens. That is not to say just shut up, you just don't alway have to holler and scream and wave your arms around. But when you go get in the face of somone, it should be the person opposed to you, not someone that just happens to have the same job as someone opposed to you.

If we are, you are.....at least based on you logic. Because your whole point is that any one member of a group is the same as the whole of the group, right? That should be treated and punished the same, even if they aren't involved in whatever is going on. So as a member of TGO and a gun owner...you just a big of a ***** as the rest of us in this bunch....

She more or less set a precedent, right? What has changed in the world to make things any different. Without going back and looking up, because maybe I didn't post it either, but I too was concerned about the vaguness. I could tell from siting in the courtroom that day she was very interested in that argument. In fact I think if they would have filed their suit on that basis, she would have ruled void that day. But at least of now, vaguness is not the issue. Well show their case has not merit, it is thrown out or they are ruled against. Well on our side or not, if they challenge the law he is the one that defends it. That is not to say you can give help or info directily, but I'm sure the TFA, NRA and others will be in communication with them...so anything you can do to help them would be good. Letters to the editor etc.... Seems like Nikki got a favorable interview or two last year. Of course you can't do anything in the courtroom, but there were plenty reporters just outside of it and out front of the courthouse as well as other interested people. But I think the TGO, TFA and other pro-gun people that were there did show support just by being there. Preach loud enoung and maybe those outside the chruch will here you and come in.... I don't have all the answers either.

If you mean to stop the suit from being filed....nothing, because I don't think anything will stop them from filing it. I have every bit of confidence it will be thrown out though when it gets to a hearing. If it is not though, then helping to prove that their case has no merit would be more helpful I think. Get stats from the 40+ states that allow it already, give that to the AG (not that he'd take it), but also to the media, to the servers. Be at the hearings giving out that infomation. Call your local talk radio station. There may be other ideas, but those are some that come to mind...if we even get that far.

Guess I didn't realize that an attorney getting calls from people (that aren't his clients) telling him they don't like what he is doing (because lawyers really like being popular) could make him change his mind, go against his clients wishes or advise his clients to withdraw their suit.

Well said!!

If we don't know who the ones who filed are...how are the servers you stiff going to know who to pressure? You suggested this last year and never got much support so don't see why you think you would this time....and surely not enough to make anyone feel anything. If I feel like I'm doing something worthwhile I don't care what others think either. So I am not worried about my image. I may be a mod, but I have my own opinions and that is what I was expressing..as far as I know Dave and the rest may be 100% behind you. I'm all for fighting to keep it, that is why I went to Nashville last year and was in the courtroom during the hearing. That is why I contact members of the legislature, not only be easy e-mail but by phone. So I am all for fighting to keep it (if need be, long ways from that point yet) but I don't think some hair-brained, half-baked idea of stiffing some poor kid that has nothing to do with any of is the battle I want to be a part of. But by all means....you can have at it.

Well if you are talking about last years lawsuit....the reasons the lawsuit were first filed for where tossed. It wasn't till just before or maybe even during the hearing that the idea of void for vagueness came up.

If it is filed, I don't think servers getting low/no tips would make them withdraw it. Just a little to far in at that point for a stunt to make them change their minds. Besides the only way that targeting the serves like that can be effective is if you let them know why you are doing it. Also only really if you can some how target the ones that filed the suit. I don't think there is state-wide restaurant server network where the could spread the word. Also if the ones that are filing the suit actually feel that strong, I doubt what anyone else (fellow server or not) tells them is going to make them change their mind. If you do thin and let them know then in the long run I think you are you more of disservice to HCP holders than helping anything. Reacting like this would make is look more irrational and emotional than the anti-s....at least IMO.

Ah...ok. Well then.

Funny, funny, funny.. Make sure and watch the rest of them... http://web.me.com/panicmonkey/PvF/PvF_Videos_1.html

Well technically it's Employee at-will not right to work, but you're right. If, IF a place couldn't post they might, MIGHT have a slim chance of some kind, but otherwise I don't see how. As you said, if the place you work doesn't post and you don't like it...move on to the next place that does.

Yep.... They can file all the suits they want, but I don't see it going anywhere. The bill last year was challenged at several angles, one of them being the worker safety as you said. The only thing that moved forward was the void for vagueness. There is nothing vague in this bill. Wonder who these serevers work for...... I'll give you 3 guesses and 2 don't count. At least that would be my bet. I don't actually know this. My lord....just how long can someone cry and kick and scream and not just be over something?!

All places that 39-17-1359 applied before. So other than parks and wildlife areas, yes the "ghostbusters" sign will be a legal posting.

NP...just wish I had better things to do than keep up with all of this sometimes...lol That is the one slightly bitter pill to swallow in all of this, but overall not a bad bill. Still like that it repeals 39-17-1305 all together instead of picking and choosing and defining places.

LOL..."News"Channel 5, huh? Can't even get last year's bill and this year's straight huh?

So rework everything after the amendments and the new 39-17-1359 will look like this. So the new 39-17-1351((1) and 39-17-1359((3)© both say that one or both can be used. This has been discussed at length in other threads.

That is the "current" law, but we are discussing SB3012 Amendments 1-3 passed on 4/29/10 They can be seen here... Amendment 1 Amendment 2 Amendment 3 In those amendments it say 1 or both may be used.

"Immediately" But not sure if that means the moment the Speaker hits the gavel or after it is sent to the Secretary of State. Now if the Governor was to have signed it....I think it would have been law that very moment...since an override has sort of the same effect...well.....but who knows. Maybe someone with more direct connections to Nashville can post better info.