Fallguy

Y'all will have to post the results here...I've got to where I just can't stand to watch the children up there in Nashville argue anymore....lol I'm guessing that since the session doesn't start till 4 there is a lot of "campaigning" going on right now...so hopefully the votes will already be lined up ahead of time. Not to say there still won't be a lot of debate.

Well I haven't ever really used the classifieds on here that much to be honest, but I will say it seems to have even been a little more difficult to navigate since the switch.

Whew...ok....I take a break for a little while...and wow...lol Just a reminder to everyone, including me, personal attacks are not allowed. But looks like things have about worked themselves out...so that is good and I am willing to leave it at that. Difference of opinons and debates are good. So....let's not start anything back with any finger pointing or last shots...lol

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If possible you should get out of or avoid a situation that requires you to draw or fire your weapon in the first place. But it is not always possible to avoid or get out of every situation, so there is nothing wrong with proper preparation.

Well...No and Yes. Arrest or conviction for a Class B misdemeanor in-and-of-itself is not grounds for suspension or revocation of a HCP. However there is always the catch all of "Poses a material likelihood of risk of harm to the public" in 39-17-1352(a)(3) Also 39-17-1352(a)(6) says for any violation of 39-17-1351 - 39-17-1360 which would include 39-17-1359 Another note on misdemeanors then...39-17-1352(f)(1) conviction of Class A misdemeanor will get your HCP suspended until you complete what ever the sentence of the court is.

Still has to pass in the Senate and go to the Govenor

Yep Class B Misdemeanor - $500 fine

Oh granted the light was just PC to stop him. Apparently nothing was found though...so inicidents like this, where a good kid (assuming, because of no evidence to the contrary) is stopped for minor infraction and held up for an hour, is what can give some a less than stellar opinion of LE though.

But Dave....isn't an hour a long time for a search incident to a tag illumination light being out stop?

3rd paragraph of post 25 Also somethingelse from that post..."it is legal to carry UNLESS the handgun has been physically seen and the holder has been asked to leave and not come back." AFAIK nothing requires the property owner to actually see the weapon before they can tell you not to come back armed. If you tell them you are armed, it's not like you have to pull it out and show them for them to tell you they don't want it there.

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Not getting into this again.....seems more and more threads are being started lately on subjects that come up over and over. If you want to know my opinion...just do a search...

Already being discussed here

I haven't seen the bill this session, but the bill to allow carry in the capitol last year had a fiscal note on it because of having to hire extra troopers for security ect.... So apparently there is a limit to there trust of HCP holders....

LOL...no, not normally. Of course folks are a little more passionate about some issues or at certain times....

If you'll notice I said you can't use deadly force to protect property unless it would also fall under self-defense. Someone using a firearm against use would fall under self-defense. However this applies to all citizens not just security guards. I don't just quote T.C.A., I have contacted the AG myself a few times, directly and thorough my Rep. When you called him did he tell you legally he can't give opinions directly to citizens like he told me? But if you wish to leave....this is one nimrod that's not going to miss you....

LOL...I hear ya Dave...and maybe the earring analogy wasn't the best. Tell you what....I still let you buy me a beer as well.

Well...actually we probably agree more than we don't. Actually....right after I clicked the "Submit Reply" button I saw the argument that OC could be considered irresponsible firearms handling by some. I think the test is, what would a reasonable person (if there any of those left in this world) find acceptable. Are there sheep out there that panic at the sight of gun...yes. But does that mean it is reasonable? Of course reasonable is subjective as well. But sometimes simply exposure to something make it less "shocking" over time. Remember when men first started getting their ears pierced? It was shocking to many people. But now, if an individual doesn't like it, wouldn't do it themselves, it is not shocking to them. But I agree....someone with a handgun has more potential to affect others around them than some dude with a pierced ear. Also I have heard from many sources I trust, including you, that TN was never actually intended to be a OC state. But simply not to require concealment because of the fear of local LEOs at the time making arrest even for accidental exposure. However...it would appear that legal OC was/is an unintended consequence. I also agree that if someone OCs in TN they should expect attention and even interaction with others and LEOs. Also if a LEO wants to discourage OC he can do that...but it may be more accepted by the person if it is delivered in a sincere tone instead of a condescending one..... ...and while we may never totally agree on this subject....I'll still let you buy me a beer sometime.

MediaBuster....if you think there is any grey area on ANYONE (Citizen, Security Guard or LEO) using deadly force to protect property in TN, I would suggest you need to read the laws of TN again. No one can use deadly force to protect property in TN. 39-11-614 Protection of property. As a security guard you are using the powers of a citizen arrest to detain someone. You can not use deadly force to make an arrest unless it would be allowed under self-defense laws. 39-11-621 Use of deadly force by private citizen. A LEO can use deadly force in a few more circumstances than a citizen while trying to effect an arrest, but still not over property. 39-11-620 Use of deadly force by a law enforcement officer. I know of at least one case in my area where a LEO was charged for shooting at someone fleeing that had stole an ATV. See here.

....and what point would that prove other than irresponsible firearms handling?