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In section 2 it does amend 39-17-1352(a) to say a violation of 39-17-1305 would be a reason to revoke you HCP. But if the bill passed that would also mean that 39-17-1305 would be amended to allows carry in there but not while drinking. Section 1 It mentions 39-17-1359 just to say a place could still post the property per that code. Make sense?

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I'm like you on the hotel...AFAIK it is legal now to carry in a hotel, just not the bar part. The wording may be an attempt to clear things up, but I think it does just the opposite. I think the wording about loosing your HCP is if you violate the law as it is changed in the bill. In other words if you drink while in a place that serves alcohol. Reason being is right now, both carry in a place that serves alcohol and carry while intoxicated are both misdemeanors and would not automatically cause your HCP to be revoked. All in all, if that would help getting the bill passed, I'm not strongly (but am mildly) opposed to that part. I guess they see it as a way to keep us honest and figure we won't risk our HCP by drinking. But if the do that...why not just leave the percentage language out?

IMO SB0084 & HB0233 are very badly worded. It still doesn't address non-restaurants (bowling alley, etc..) that serve alcohol. A percentage requirement has never been popular with establishment owners. Hopefully a clean bill will be introduced.

Following bills added: SB0084 Firearms and Ammunition - As introduced, authorizes person with a handgun permit who is not consuming alcohol to carry handgun in building where beer or alcoholic beverages are being served subject to posting of property provisions, and adds violation of possessing a firearm where alcohol is served as a reason for revocation of a person's handgun permit. HB0233 Handgun Permits - As introduced, allows person who has handgun carry permit and is not consuming alcohol to possess handgun in any restaurant that derives more than 60 percent of its revenue from the sale of food and allows transient or guest to carry in confines of a hotel except in area where alcohol being served. HB0254 Firearms and Ammunition - As introduced, deletes requirement that the purchaser of a firearm give a thumbprint as part of background check process and that the TBI furnish thumbprint cards and pads to firearm dealers. HB0266 Criminal Procedure - As introduced, adds omitted languge from provision allowing law of self-defense to apply to a person's business as well as the dwelling, residence, and occupied vehicle.

Probably just meant that if you had a TN DL you had established residency. But you are right in that a DL is not required to get a HCP.

The original questions has been answered and this thread no longer serves any beneficial purpose.

I thought that a little weird too... Like you said, as it know, judges can carry without a HCP. But this bill would seem to only address those judges with a HCP. Making different classes of people even among judges...lol

Sounds like a real mess....hope you can get cleared up.

I understand....but actually it would be more convenient for all of us if you didn't even need a permit like in Vermont or Alaska.

Why would they do it at the PD? They don't have a dog in the race, they are not getting any of the money from $115 fee to do the fingerprinting. Back when I got mine they actually did the fingerprinting at the DOS station when you applied for your permit. Guess they decided it was too much trouble and was easier to sub it out.

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Yep...that does seem to be the standard, at least when I dispatched for over 10 years anyway... It really is to the officers benefit, that way if there is a claim of "hanky panky" later the log can show there wasn't enough time and/or by mileage he took a direct route to the jail/PD

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I would agree....except in general it would be illegal.

I don't think AL has any such requirement. I don't see it in their code anyway. AL Section 13A-11-85

FL will issue a permit to any US resident as long as they meet the qualifactions* and the FL permit will let you carry in FL. FL will honor out of state permit's but only if the holder is resident of the state the permit was issued in.** So in FL you have to have either a FL permit or permit for the state you reside in. See FL Law *Title XLVI 790.06(2)(a) **Title XLVI 790.15(1)(

Here is a list of all states that issue non-resident permits and how to aquire them. NOTE!! Some states do not honor non-resident permits. (CO, KS, MI, FL, SC, WV and NH)

Sepperated the discussion and the post with just the bills into two seperate thread and made a sticky out of the bills list. It is in this thread. Discussion can continue in this one.

You can see this and other related bills in this thread http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16060

I normally pocket carry. If I am going to only ride for a short time I don't change, if I am going to be riding for a while or all day, I have a shoulder holster I use, under my vest.