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*If you are convicted, Yes. 39-17-1352(f)(1) says if you are convicted of a Class A Misdemanor you are supposed to surrender your permit. Violation of 39-17-1321 is a Class A Misdemanor. ** +1

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The park does fall under the rule change. I would say the sign is left over from before and just has not been taken down.

Sounds like a bunch of bull to me. Here are some good tips about what to do when asked for you SSN. I know on goverment forms they are supposed to tell you what law requires them to ask for it. Oh..but I do carry card I printed with my kids SSN's on it....

Not making it public knowledge and all keeping their mouth shut is probably the best way to go.

I agree. What I would like to see is 39-17-1321 changed to include a BAC even if it was substaintly lower that DUI, even if it you were scared that one drink would put you over the limit. That way at least there would be hard and fast limit instead of up to someone else's discretion. That's not the way it works, it would be determined on a yearly basis, not day to day.

Not a bad idea. When I read this I thought of Harley Davidson's Edge course for new riders. New to motorcycles...no problem, buy a Harley and learn how to ride from them. So why not the same with firearms? New to firearms?...No problem, buy one from us and will teach you the basics of operation and safety.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16726

I have found that funny myself. That so many of the Liberal states, that are may issue, allow you, if you can get a permit, to pretty much carry anywhere. Who really knows what the hang up is here....

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I don't know why these cities keep trying to pass laws to ban carry on city property. You're right in that 39-17-1314 preempts them from passing such laws. But, if they wasn to prevent carry on city property all they have to do is post signs per 39-17-1359, which allows goverments to post as well. Of course I've always thought that publicly owned property should be one of the places not allowed to post....

With a TN permit you can carry in NH, VT, DE and PA. ...and as we know ME issues non-resident permits if you ever plan on heading that way.

In the case of TN and HCPs reciprocal just means there is a written agreement between the two states to honor each others permits. When carry laws were just starting that is almost the only way your permit was good in another state. Now some states, including TN simply recognize all other state permits. Even those that don't recognize all other state permits may recognize another states permit without a written agreement between the two states.

Oh...I admit I have thought about getting a few non-resident permits myself. Kind of as you said, if for no other reason but to have them. But I know some folks in other states get non-resident permits from other states sometimes, becaue the non-resident permit is honored in more states than the permit of their state of residence. But I don't think that is the case in TN. But I guess there are other reasons as also stated.

As of now off-duty LEOs can't carry where alcohol is served for onsite consumption. So really wouldn't help us a lot on this issue...

I hear ya, and yes the legailty of someone under 21 carrying in TN on an out of state permit is being debated. But what I meant is I think the law in TN should allow 18 year olds to carry, and that topic has been debated in the past.

None that I can see. ND permits are honored in less states than a TN permit.

As far as carry while under the infulence there is not BAC%, it's more like public intoxication, it us up the discretion of the officer. If, IF, there was to be a percentage thing on the bill it should say a percentage from non-alcoholic sales, not just food. That should prevent carry in the night club and bars, but allow carry in restaraunts and bowling alleys, etc... But a clean bill would be best. I could, if it was the only way, take the comprimise of drinking while carrying a place that serves alcohol for oniste consumption as ground to revoke your HCP, but it really seems like a feel good thing more than anything.

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I think you should be able to carry at 18, but that is another debate we have already had in other threads.....lol

I'm with you Razorback. If, IF, there is a percentage requirment it should just be a requirment that a certain percentage come from non-alcoholic sells, not just food. That ought to prevent you from carrying in the night club and bar, but still allow you to carry in restaraunt, bowling alley, etc.....

Well not to argue with the robe....and you're right, he'd be the one your standing in front of, but, The AG has said that each business in a mall is seperate place for the purposes of posting a sign per 39-17-1359 Also 39-17-1305 says "within the confines of a building that sells alcohol for onsite consumption" not the premises. I mean it is legal to carry in the parking lot of a place even if they are having some outside activity and people are drinking outside. But it would seem that Ruby Tuesday's is it's own building, even though it might be under the roof of the mall. But IDK

Well got my Tivo the other day...and so far really liking it. Have to keep trying to remember to give thumb ups or downs to things...lol You'd think a brand new out of the box unit straight from the source would have the latest software on it...but no....lol Wouldn't connect to my network since I use WPA encryption, did a search online and found out you had to software ver 8.1 or later for it to support that, unit had 7.1 So disabled the encryption got it hooked up, updated the software to 9.2, turned the WPA back on and re-set up the network connection and all was good. Other than couldn't access a few of the extras. Called tech support after a bunch of stuff I already tried and some that didn't make sense, found out from a tech a level above could take up to 24 hours for the new software to take full effect. Sure enough later that evening all was good. Already downloaded a movie from Amazon On Demand, got to watch it shortly...lol Anyway...still learning, but so far very happy with the purchase.

Not sure about where this mall is located, but just to be clear...there is no state open container law, except in vehicles and then only for the driver. But cities can and have passed ordnances against open containers in public.