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Correct...don't save me a spot. I wasn't trying to compare your actions to the badge, just how the playing on a misconception part was simillar. Hope everyone has fun.

Is an actual score recorded or just Pass/Fail?

You don't "qualify" with the gun in your original HCP course. You simply shoot at a target you must hit a certain amount of times, doesn't matter if they are all in the 10 ring or 7 ring. You don't even have to own the gun you shoot. I've heard of many instructors stop counting once the required number of hits were reached. Isn't the firing range portion a simple Pass/Fail and not actually scored? It's just another piece of paper that IMO is not needed, if the state wanted you to "qualify" or actually shoot each specific gun you carried they would require it. It's sort of like why I hate the HCP badge. The badge gives into the misconception that only those with badges should carry guns in public. Well this supports the misconception that if you don't meet certain standard with your specific carry weapon you are some how less justified to carry that weapon or open to more liability. I don't need a reason to shoot, if I want to..I go shoot...and I don't have to give anyone $10 to do it. I tried to say never mind, and just let it go before anyone else posed in the thread.

EDIT...Nevermind Note from Double After Split: The original post in this thread was essentially an advertisement from Big Poppa offering a HCP class-type qualification whereby the student could use a gun other than the one they took the permit class with. This was not a DOS-sanctioned class or any kind of permit renewel, simply a way to simulate the carry permit class shooting requirements with a different gun and get some extra training to boot. This then sparked some (rather lively) debate about the necessity and wisdom of such a class, whether you have to actually qualify with the gun you use in the permit class, and other such issues. Since the original post was essentially an advertisement, I moved it to Vendor Services. Please go there to see the details, or pm Big Poppa. The ensuing debate holds, I think, at least some value, and I feel that it can remain in this forum. Carry on, DAS

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One thing to remember is the new Legislative Session doesn't start till next month. Newly elected Representatives and Senators have not even been sworn in yet. Since this is a new session, no bills have been carried over from last year, so at this point there is no legislation that has been introduced for the new session. I think it is a good idea to contact your elected officials on the state level and let them know in general things you would like to see changed. As the session progresses contacting them with specific bill numbers is always best.

39=17-1308 Defenses to unlawful possession or carrying of a weapon. (a) It is a defense to the application of § 39-17-1307 if the possession or carrying was: (2) By a person authorized to possess or carry a firearm pursuant to § 39-17-1315 or § 39-17-1351

OMG, Please let's not start that debate again. If someone wants to buy some to help great, what they do with them after that, who cares.

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+1 I have thought about this before and I agree while the wording says you can't use deadly force it doesn't' say you can't threaten it. However I think it is probably best that you just let them see the firearm, not point it at them. It is your property you can carry a handgun or long gun without any permits or anything. If you hear a noise I don't think it would be a problem arming yourself before checking out the noise.

Yeah but at least you are alive to go through all of this. Much better than being dead with a gun in your hand and that look on your face that you were still trying to decide if it was ok to shoot or not.

Thankfully I don't work for the school system.

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Welcome Actually been thinking of a 88 for HD myself.

TN does honor all other state's permits. It's the law. It says the same thing on Dept of Safety's website Now if you have an Indiana permit and want to get a TN one, you have to take a TN handgun safety course, see here. You can't just do a renweal like you can from some states.

I'm not sure, but I don't think so. If the DA did not bring charges in the shooting and you were sued, it would be up the judge/jury in that suit as to whether it was justified for the purposes of that suit. (I think). But the DA not bringing charges would have to go a long way in your favor. Also if it was presented to a grand jury and they returned a no bill, still don' think that is the same as it being ruled justified for the purposes of a law suit. I think the hope is that if a DA doesn't bring charges or a grand jury doesn't return a true bill, that most lawyers wouldn't take a civil suit without really thinking they could prove their case, which should be hard since no criminal charges were brought. But there are all types of lawywers out there. As far as HCP instructors giving out wrong information, it seems to happen more than it should.

At $115 a pop and $50 for renewals...no way they are ending that source of revenue.

As was said, you can be sued, but if it ruled justified the person bringing the suite can not prevail and has to pay some of your expenses

I'd take one

I'm curious too. AFAIK if you have the certificate you have completed the training you can carry it 24/7

Not in TN. They can in some other states.

Ok remember...no matter where you are, your house, public, a friend's or wherever, you must be reasonably in fear of imminent serious bodily harm or death to use deadly force. The part about unlawfully and forcibly entering your house, car, business, etc... has to do with that you are simply presumed to be in that fear if those actions occurred. It is not an automatic green light or free-to-shoot card. If the DA can prove it was not reasonable for you to be in fear, you could be charged and convicted. The difference is he as to prove where as out in public you may have to prove that you where. Also if person is standing over your bed with a knife, I would think it is reasonable for you to be in imminent fear of death or serious bodily harm whether person unlawfully and forcibly entered or whether they walked through an open door or if Scotty beamed them in there. If a person is banging on your door in the middle of the night...would that be a reasonable fear, probably not. But if they are banging and banging, saying, "I'm going to kill you!" over and over and they just won't go away...well... that might be a different story. You probably would have to prove that you were in reasonable fear, but you may be able to. Again the thing to remember is you must be reasonably in fear of imminent serious bodily harm or death to use deadly force, the other stuff just has to do with if it is presumed or not. Another thing to remember is, you have no duty to retreat as long as you are any place you have a legal right to be.

But that doesn't have to mean them kicking down the door or breaking the window. Had a LEO tell me once that if the BG just turns the door handle that is using force to open the door.