Marswolf

This story has been going around for a couple of days. Only problem is they got it wrong. The man is not an FFL or SOT and is manufacturing and selling firearms. The loaned rifle is not stock but has has a 3 position selector and a filed bolt.

Flyboy, I'm mystified why gun supporters wouldn't want to be able to pack a gun in their car. Yes, business owners have rights, but the right to self protection seems more important to me. Here is why guns should be allowed in vehicles at work. This is from my area. http://www.tricities.com/tristate/tri/news.apx.-content-articles-TRI-2006-12-09-0010.html Woman, man gunned down in parking lot Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 - 02:00 AM BY Daniel Taylor BRISTOL, Va. – A man shot his estranged wife and another man to death Friday afternoon in Dana Corp.’s parking lot and then waited for police to arrive and arrest him, authorities said. Yellow tape surrounded a section of the parking lot and police scoured the scene for evidence after authorities said Carl David Ray, 35, 19486 Manchester Drive, Bristol Virginia, shot two plant employees. The victims were his wife, Tracy Ray, 36, 18371 Ironwood Loop, Abingdon; and Randall O’Quinn, 42, 22245 Green Spring Church Road, also of Abingdon. The pair was shot "multiple times" with a .45-caliber semi-automatic pistol as they sat in O’Quinn’s pickup truck at around 1 p.m. Authorities said Carl Ray worked near the plant, although police weren’t sure exactly where. He recognized the couple and drove to the plant armed with a pistol, according to city Police Detective Steve Crawford. Carl Ray, who had a concealed weapons permit, parked his car near the truck, got out and shot the couple, Crawford said. Police said Tracy Ray was separated from her husband. Several plant employees said she and O’Quinn had a relationship and the shooting likely stemmed from jealousy, but police would not discuss a possible motive. "We’re not willing to speculate on a motive yet," said city Police Detective DeeDra Branson. After the shooting, Carl Ray sat down next to his car and surrendered peacefully when police arrived, authorities said. O’Quinn died at the scene. Tracy Ray was taken to Bristol Regional Medical Center, but was pronounced dead soon after. Police weren’t sure how many times the couple were shot, but O’Quinn had been shot at least once in the head, Crawford said. The bodies were taken to Roanoke for autopsy. Crawford said Carl Ray did not have a criminal history and that the shootings did not appear to be planned. Despite the double-murder, employees continued to come and go as the plant continued operations throughout the day. It has been about a year since Dana filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and the plant on Thomas Road was expected to close by early 2007 and outsource its jobs to Mexico. The facility employed about 270 people at the time of the announcement. James Gilley, who has been a sales technician at the plant for 16 years, said all the employees were "numb" after learning of the shooting. "I’m stunned," he said. "It hasn’t sunk in real good yet." Carl Ray remained in the city jail Friday night without bond on two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of using a gun while committing a felony. He has a court appearance set for Monday.

I don't know about that location, but I keep seeing posts about not carrying in a government owned building. You can carry in state, county, and municipally owned buildings unless they are posted, or some other reason, like alcohol service exists to prevent carry. You can even carry in a courtroom, as long as court is not in session if it isn't posted (it will be). Sullivan county has a courthouse and annex. Neither is posted. Handgun carry, with a permit, is completely legal there.

Looks good to me. The law says "within the confines of a building".

Nope, but Nazi is sounding better every day,

Actually, the thing that initially surprised me was that the choice has never been Fred. Looking at his record has explained why. That also explains why he ain't got no chance of getting the nomination. Get over it. Fred is dead. He's just a bit too "plain vanilla" without a lot (any?) of upstanding principle to stand behind it. He wants the religious vote; he wants the moderate vote, he wants the xyz vote. He's sort of like a flabbier, uglier Bush with absolutely no military service to even pretend to draw upon. I don't think I can go with Fred. He's an actor/lawyer and that's all. And as much as I hate some of the other candidates, I'm not going to go with another religious nut, So Mike is out. Jimmy and George Dubya burned me out on that. It took a few years but I ain't gonna vote for any more born-again anythings. I'd vote for Hitler first. My tolerance for idiots has waned. One of my catchphrases has always been that you vote for people who run for office. A supplementary concept has been that you have to vote for people who can possibly win. I think it is now time to consider who can win before we cast our vote in the primary.

I was very suspicious of them. But experience has shown them to be pretty good.

Oh good, I get to quote myself. Using an off-hand tac light obviously does not require a braced cross-arm hold. Indeed, one of the things that makes an off-hand light work is the possibility of it being in a number of positions. But that braced cross-hand thing is pretty standard among classically trained agency folks. Fortunately most BGs can't figure out the odds when under stress. But this is a good explanation of why on-gun tac lights are not necessarily a good idea. Some People who do shoot for a living are trained to determine the likely position of a tac-light and the spacial relation to those who hold them. On-gun is very obvious. 2HOW, glad you have a good place to train. You actually get to train in the dark?

I use both, depending on the situation. I prefer a two-handed modified isosceles stance, but if you are holding a tac light, you have to go to a cross armed single hand grip.

I've had a couple of them. One was a Sweet 17 on my .17 Savage. The other is an 8-32x44 Platinum on my .308 Remington 700 1/8 moa clicks. I've liked both just as well as Leupolds and Nikons. Check out http://www.swfa.com/ for everything from Tasco through Swarovski.

For a lot of companies, allowing them to search your property is a condition of employment. You voluntarily agree to it in order to get the job. Really intended to let someone search without a warrant if they think you are stealing stuff, but if you have anti-gunners running the place, it allows them to search for weapons too.

David, you already know what happened up here in the Tri-Cities to the Friend's dinner. I think the problem with the state NRA criticism is that a lot of donors have never been told that the money raised goes for shooting events. They think they are donating to a political and legal defense fund.

I dug out my reloading stuff yesterday. The guy bought my 700. Hated to get rid of it, but I haven't shot it in over a year. Silly to have it just sitting around. So when I get un-lazy, I'll assemble the stuff and take a picture. I'll give someone a good deal on a lot of gear.

Interestingly enough David, this is the main criticism I've heard about the NRA in Tennessee. Detractors say that about all it does is fund youth shooting programs.

This is the third one of these that I've taken. I've gotten entirely different results each time. Where were the questions about abortion and religious nuttery?

That looks like a pretty thorough rundown on indoor range setup and cleaning.

I think you are trying to pick nits and they will lock you up. While I understand your point, viewing the previous post, I think the intent of the law is obvious, and the courts would view it that way.

As Mike says, see my previous post's. I'd do something else if I was you.

Sounds good. Drop me a PM and we'll see if we can find a time.

I don't think I'll go inside this show, but if anyone want to meet there in the lot tomorrow, let me know. I'll wear my WWI revolver.

Thanks threeshot. Hope you stick around and post. We need some more techies here.

And a day before mine.

I think it is obviously correct to collect the gun cost plus TFA before submitting a transfer. Otherwise you could do a transfer and then the buyer finds out he can't pay. But Mike, I'm with you about a policy of not giving the guy his money back on the device/gun if it doesn't go through. I'll go with a few bucks for the shop owner's time. But the whole device cost????? Especially if not a special order, I don't think so. Not unless the gun/device is destroyed. Sounds like both an excessive a charge to me and also of questionable legality (explained below). But maybe I'm missing some charge on a NFA device I don't know about? (I don't think so after talking to a couple of BATFE buddies in Bristol and Richmond.) The crime aspect, as I understand it, is the government's problem, not the dealer's. The dealer is not in a position to determine that a crime has been committed. Plus the dealer is in a legally questionable position about determining that someone did something committing a crime. The BATFE check system does not relay that sort of information. They just say "no." Eventually, that would be determined, if necessary, by the courts. Certainly that can not be determined, under any circumstances by the dealer. The dealer should be able to recoup any restocking fee, if any, plus a "reasonable fee" for his trouble. I suspect collecting the entire cost of the device puts the dealer in an untenable legal position. At least that is how I see it, but I don't play a lawyer on TV and only spent untold hours in the law library when an engineering student at UT. Let's put it this way, based on experience, if I was such an imaginary lawyer, I'd tell my client/dealer to not do that but charge a set fee instead. I think Top Notch's policy was that they charged a posted $30 plus transfer cost and returned the rest of the money on a denied transfer item. The owner was an accountant who was very careful about the law. I think that's reasonable and defensible. But the entire cost? I don't think so.

I'm seriously considering getting out of reloading. I have someone who really wants my Remington 700 VS and that's the only round I load for. So I may be selling off my reloading setup. I'll probably see if someone wants the whole setup first, but if I can't find a buyer that way, I'll probably sell stuff off individually.