Luke E.

   Livin' on the edge huh?

   I have dislocated my right one 6 times and my left one twice and some of them barely hurt and some were moderately painful but this one was the most intense few hours of my life! I have had things hurt worse but never this intense for that long. Mine have popped out easier after the first couple but really didn't get a whole lot looser after that so it still takes a pretty hard knock to pop them out but I have gotten quite good at putting them back in place, I guess you could say i've gotten good enough that I can put it back in asleep lol. 

   After everything was cleared out of the joint and the crunching was cleared she thought laughter would be the best medicine and said "next time you'll take the garbage out before you leave like I asked". She's pretty spunky..

 Okay, Last night (actually right around daylight) I thought I was having a dream, in this dream I was sitting in a bed holding my arm because the shoulder was dislocated. As this"dream" played out I reset the joint and then I halfway woke up. I guess I dismissed it all as a dream and tried to go back to sleep when I realized that it wasn't a dream, my shoulder WAS dislocated!     Now for a little history on that shoulder, that was I think the 6th time that my right shoulder has been dislocated and I have separated that shoulder from the collar bone twice so it's not the tightest shoulder ever. I also learned from the EMT that reset it the first time and have managed to do it myself or with the help of whoever was around every time I have dislocated one of my shoulders since then.    Back to last night/this morning, This was however the first time that I have twisted up my nerves and ligaments in the process. The Vagus nerve runs through there which, when severely disturbed, blocks the adrenal glands from functioning. I have had multiple major trauma injuries over the years but this was different. Imagine the very worst intense pain you've ever felt (I had my right leg ripped off at the knee other than the skin around the back. just to put it in perspective) and thats about how this was but here's what was different, No matter where I positioned my arm, it got no better and it stayed this intense for 2 1/2 hours. Like I said above, I've had injuries that completely disable some folks but I had never shed a single tear over pain until this morning. About an hour into it I felt tears start rolling down my cheeks and that when I realized how bad it was.    Anyways, back to my original question... Has anyone else ever dislocated a shoulder in their sleep? I can only sleep on my left side or my arms will go to sleep so i'm sure this had a hand in it.

    I think your going about it the right way. Not much worse than spending a bunch of money and realizing that your caliber or configuration isn't what you really wanted.          'm not real good at it but hey, I gotta at least start that way or I may explode before it's all said and done! 

   Exactly! I think if someone just settled for whatever they could find it could be done in a decent amount of time. I have a specific end result that I am shooting for and that applies to look, distance and quality so i'm not going to be doing any settling on this one. I have already come to grips with the fact that it's going to be a while so hopefully I won't get to antsy.. :waiting:

   I've not spent any money yet (other than receivers) but due to me dislocating my shoulder last night, I've had plenty of web surfing time today and I can tell that my Grendel plan is going to be expensive! 

     Sounds like you did well for yourself!

 Say you have a company ( we'll call it company "A") who makes bolt carriers and you have companies that need BCG's to assemble their rifles or to resale we'll call them company 1 and 2. Company 1 calls company A and tells them that they want x number of top of the line coated, treated bolt carriers made of space age steel and be within .001" tolerance, so company A goes to the drawing board and gets back with them with a price of $100 per part. Now company A  gets a call from company 2 wanting bolt carriers and needs them to be at a $75 price point. Company A can't sell the ones created for company 1 at the $75 price point but if they use a cheaper coating and go with a bit cheaper steel and loosen tolerances they can provide company 2 with the part wanted at the price wanted... So, while  company 1 and 2 both get their bolt carriers from the same manufacturer, you will not get the same quality of part from company 2 as you would from company 1.    Now I don't know that this is the case with the PSA and BCM BCG's but I do know from other experiences, this is how these types of things typically go. I would be interested to know what you end up finding out to be the case. 

     it was good to meet you and all the others that came out. Hopefully we can get a bigger group next time! 

     As was pointed out to me above, the magnetic ones are that way because they are a bi-metal jacket. I'm not sure of how it doe or does not effect flight but it stands to reason that they would be more abrasive due to the steel mixed into the jacket which could cause more wear in any given number of rounds. If anyone has any numbers that compare copper vs. bi-metal jacketed bullets wear tendencies, i'd love to see/hear them. If they do cause more or less flight disturbance i'd like to hear about that as well.

I'm about to be there. Hope you can make it.

Sounds like that's the reason everyone, myself included has bought them. I loaded up 300 of them wed. night so I could give them a whirl at the Woodbury range tomorrow.

I typically don't leave brass at the range on purpose but I haven't found any Grendel brass at the range but have scored a bit while digging through my brass connections stockpile so I just buy it along with whatever else I was after. I tend to do this for any calibers that I even think I might build an AR or AR upper for someday. I have started saving Grendel and 6.8 cases for guns that aren't even built... Yet.. I love to watch YouTube videos of annealing machines! I have quite a .223 stockpile and can add more easily so I've not been all that concerned with annealing but since I've been converting it into blackout brass I've thought more about it. I actually enjoy working brass but converting is time consuming and if annealing will make that bass last a fair bit longer then it warrants a hard second look.

On a completely note, have you had any luck picking up much Grendel range brass? A few years back when I decided that I wanted to build one I started really watching for the brass but just don't see too much of it.

Exactly. It's not unusual to burn through 4-500 .223 in a half day range trip. Sometimes a fair bit more and sometimes a bit less if I'm shooting a lot of pistol or bolt gun. I bought most of my .223 supplies from David back before things got crazy so as far as cost per round goes, I'm in them really good.

My rifle case prep time is very low compared to most but and there are really only about two commercially available ways to do it faster. That being said, I can load 9mm or .45 quicker because of almost zero case prep. If I'm building something to cheaply punch holes in paper at close range why should I care if it's gas or blowback? It's not like I don't have other ARs in rifle calibers to shoot whenever I want and I feel like most folks looking to build pistol cal. uppers are in the same boat. As far as case prep and Grendel goes, I'm really not the least bit concerned with it. I won't be building it to go out and rip off 1-2-300 rounds at close ranges so time isn't a concern for me for this caliber. Like I said though, I can fire rifle cartridges in multiple calibers in my ARs therefore I don't find it to be a stupid idea to build an upper that runs pistol cartridges.

10/22... Most any sub gun... What I'm saying is, I would never build a pistol caliber upper just to throw it on a bench and attempt long range precision with it, but,,, I would be perfectly happy building one to plink and shooting clays with at under 50yds. I won't be turning my TGO receivers into a pistol cal. Because I've been wanting a Grendel for a few years now and I can think of no better receivers to use. I will be building a pistol cal. Upper at some point because of how cheap I could shoot it and the case prep time is far less than a bottleneck rifle case. It will give my nephews something to shoot in about a year when the first one is big enough.

The setup I saw was.

I didn't know we were talking about "needs". If there were only guns that we "need" I'd say we this forum would be pretty boring because all of us sad gun enthusiast would only have a standard hunting model bolt gun and maybe a pistol. We'd run out of things to talk about pretty quickly. I was merely pointing out that the fun factor of a pistol cal. upper is quite high in my book. Folks run over themselves to shoot AR's chambered in .22lr so if a pistol cal. AR is a waste then how big of a waste is one in .22lr.

Lol I'd say so.

Awesome.

Whys that? 1- At 20-30yds and even further would you rather be hit with a .224" projectile or a.356 (9mm) or a .45? 2- What about little to no recoil allowing you almost instant follow up opportunities. 3- Much less chance for over penetration in a home defense situation where you may want to hit the sorry SOB that has kicked your door in and is coming after you and your family but not hit your loved one on the other side of that fiberglass insulated, Sheetrock wall. 4- Can be substantially cheaper to shoot, especially if you reload your own ammo and cast your own bullets (3.5-4.5 cents per round 9mm/.45) 5- Can be insanely quiet if you happen to have a suppressor due to the ease of making of buyin subsonic ammo Is a pistol cal. upper for everyone? Certainly not but it is a far cry from being a waste IMO.

I don't know what time they open but I'm up for getting there earlier. I just figured it would take most folks longer to get there than it would me.

Yes, they knew exactly what they were doing. If you go back and watch it again and go to the place where the woman buying it is testing it in the range and gives her stamp of approval, you'll noticed that she tells the woman something like " let's get your paperwork started and you'll have the gun before you know it" or something along those lines. It must be awesome to be able to build pretty much anything you want and go have fun with it! The Desert Eagle SBR would be at the very bottom of my list, just above a cheap single shot 12ga with a bent barrel but I guess that goes to show that if it's a firearm, there is someone out there that will like it.