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Don't worry, Goggle has already added us to that list...

Yep. Most anti-gun liberals only turn into gun owners when they have experienced a tramatic event and felt totally helpless to defend themselves.

Another good read by Marko Kloos. Came across this years ago, thought is was worth posting. https://munchkinwrangler.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-gun-is-civilization_5678.html Friday, March 23, 2007 why the gun is civilization. Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

It works until it breaks. My S&W 642's hammer pivot pin broke off the frame after a couple of years, so yes even quality revolvers break.

bumping this back up from several years ago since I feel it's worth repeating.

As Tony Baretta used to say, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time"...

Yep. I ran across a video, linked below, on that subject regarding the Python. It echoes what you said. While guns aren't obviously cars, there are some similarities to the improvements over time. Most of us are old enough to remember muscle cars of the 60's to early 70's and how fast they were and the good handling. Not sure any can hold a candle to what's available today. Yes, the higher price reflects that to some degree. Back to guns, semi-autos in the beginning weren't near as reliable and ergonomic, etc as they are today. We need to remember, while the good ole days can apply to many things, I think cars and guns are better today setting aside the nostalgic value of the older stuff IMO. https://youtu.be/I1bB8upFLdU

Where do I sign up? Willing to pay the transfer fees.

After being told they consider it a cost of doing business, I'd asked the guy, "you gonna stop me if I walk out without paying for my coffee too?".

@Defender @DaveTN The case with the PLR-16 you mentioned violating 39-17-1302, I'm not familiar with why that violates the law. I'm assuming it's related to #4 on the list but don't understand why. (Didn't google to determine what #5 used to be.) The normal configuration pictures appear to be a pistol from my understanding unless his had a foregrip or the such, Any clarification would be appreciated. A person commits an offense who intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs or sells: (1) An explosive or an explosive weapon; (2) A device principally designed, made or adapted for delivering or shooting an explosive weapon; (3) A machine gun; (4) A short-barrel rifle or shotgun; (5) [Deleted by 2017 amendment.] (6) Hoax device; (7) Knuckles; or (8) Any other implement for infliction of serious bodily injury or death that has no common lawful purpose.

Y'all convenced me to get the book. Looks like a good resource.

Congrats. @DaveTN will be along shortly and expound on the merits of the caliber.

At least you get two rifles...

I'm guessing it has the same effect, but not sure since I'm thinking the wad likely doesn't seal against the barrel ID as tightly as a bullet does in a rifle barrel.

Given the location of a gas port on a semi-auto shotgun, does the length of the barrel beyond the port have any real influence on the gun's ability to cycle?