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I think I'm gonna duck that one. There's not a whole lot a lawyer can do for you in the middle of the night except to tell you to keep quiet, and hey I can tell you that now and won't even charge you for it.
The worst thing that can happen after a shooting is you get arrested. Whether that happens is going to depend on whatever evidence the police have when they get there; it's certainly not going to depend on whether the lawyer's there or not. It's not like your lawyer could argue with the police when they go to take you away.That’s your legal advice?
It’s a homicide. The question is whether it is justifiable or not. If it’s justifiable the Police need to hear that from your client.
The people here have had it beat into their heads not to make a statement until they talk with an attorney. They need to hear you tell them in a good shoot its okay to make a statement.
No point in them possibly spending the night in an interview room because you can’t have your sleep interrupted is there?
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John is squared away.
Got any recommendations on Rutherford County attorneys?
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You don’t necessarily need to talk to the lawyer you are going to use; I doubt you are going to talk to a big name attorney in the middle of the night. However… if you are going to invoke your right to talk to a lawyer; you are going to need to talk to him right then.
The decision of whether or not you are going to trial could very easily be determined in the hours after the shooting. If you have a clean shoot; you have to make a statement to the police.
You also need to discuss this with an attorney you trust. Refusing to make a statement in a good shoot is as reckless as making one in a bad shoot.
I don’t have a local attorney I could call. But I’m pretty confident that I won’t be in a questionable shoot; so I’m confident I could make a statement. If my shoot was bad or questionable I’ll have to make a call out of state and wait until they can get me help.
I know the name John Harris and have his number but I doubt I would get to talk to him at 3AM.
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Can you provide some documentation to prove that the 380 is a bad round?
You mean other than responding to a shooting and having the victim pick a .380 out of his side and hand it to me? Or seeing first hand a .380 that barely penetrated a winter coat? Or the well known fact that you need to use FMJ in a .380 because a hollow point may become clogged with clothing and won’t penetrate.
There is all kinds of documentation on the .380. Look it up before you start calling my comments BS. It won’t matter if you have your mind made up. The fact that you can buy little bitty guns that use it cheap doesn’t make it a defensive round.
I'm sorry but your whole statement above reeks of bs!And yours reeks of having no experience other than posting on an internet forum.
It’s an opinion man… no need to attack me. People can decide what makes sense and what doesn’t.
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again, thanks!
No problem.
I went to Anniston and hand picked mine all mine out. That’s really the way to do it if you can get there.
They are a great bunch of people there and really help you out.
You can submit all your stuff my fax before you go to make sure everything is in order for when you get there.
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plus, you can get great buy's on ammunition as well.
They have Lake City right now.
I’m full to the brim with 30-06, but I sure wish they could get hold of some 7.62 NATO. But with the war going on I doubt that will happen.
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You really don’t have to shoot in competition any of these meet that requirement….
. Current or past military service.
. Current or past law enforcement service
. Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
. Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
. Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
. Concealed Carry License.
. Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training.
. FFL or C&R license.
. Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
. Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. A form for use in completing and certifying your range firing can be downloaded from the CMP web site at http://www.odcmp.com/forms/marksmanship.pdf
No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60. proof of club membership and citizenship required for all ages.
NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia.
Here is a link to all the requirements....
http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm
I belong to the Garand Collectors Association to satisfy the affiliated originations requirement, but there are many others.
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How much do they run??? I am pretty sure I need one too>>>
http://www.thecmp.org/ Rifles are listed in the left pane.
http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/default.asp Lots of info and inventory status, etc.
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Let us know what he finds.
Compare the cost of running a 220 line with the cost of adding a 50 amp sub panel.
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So saying to NEVER install a bigger breaker is too much of a blanket statement.
Never install a larger breaker.
(If you have to ask on an internet forum)
Running 20-30 amps on 12ga wire isn't going to burn your house down.It very well could. The current density at 30 amps is too high for #12 wire. One bad connection on the circuit and something will probably be on fire. 30 Amps must be at least #10 wire.
Would I recommend it? No. But with as much stupid crap as I've had to design/build/repair on a ridiculously small budget at my job, I've seen much worse.I don’t remember the number, but it’s like 200 houses a day burn down due to faulty wiring. You don’t get pick the size of wire based on price.
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I wonder if you are allowed to take a dump or vomit.
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I don't think its a matter of saving, he's got money, and he's not afraid to blow money ($13000 '87 jeep wrangler, built a brand new $250,000 house, etc, etc) I think he just doesn't have a feel for the cost of firearms. They are more of a "if its not for deer hunting, why would I look at it?" bunch of people, which means they have mainly shotguns, and rifles, handguns are a whole different monster.
Then you need to educate him.
Selecting a firearm or a carry round based on price is simply stupid.
If he loses his life or the life of a loved one over the price of a gun it really wasn’t such a good deal was it?
Has he gone through your Dads guns to see what he likes? Is your Dad pointing him towards a $300 .380 POS?
$300 might buy you an S&W J-frame if you know someone; but it won’t on an internet forum. Most of the other stuff at $300 is junk; and the .380 is absolutely useless for a carry round. (Sorry .380 guys but that’s just fact
)$500 puts him in a range with a whole bunch of good options. If he has a quarter million dollar house I doubt a couple of hundred for life insurance will break him.
Sorry if I sound blunt about this but this forum is for passing along good information. I have seen or investigated the aftermath of a lot of shootings. Bottom feeder guns are not a good choice for carry. They are marketed to people that are buying their first gun and don’t know anything or to people that want a gun to throw in the drawer at home and will probably never use it. However, if you shoot them regularly the chance that they would fail at the time you need them is slim.
Ammo is critical. Yes, a .380 in your pocket is better than a .45 at home. If that sounds like an intelligent statement to you; go with the .380.
You need to carry the ammo you would need for the threat that you think you may encounter. I personally don’t think I will be using deadly force unless I have encountered a situation where the bad guy is armed. Your chances of surviving a fire fight with a .380 are pretty slim.
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I do have to say I'm sorry for the "short" answer to change the breaker to a 30 amp, my thinking is it's better to have a bigger breaker than drawing too much power from a smaller one. Say you have a appliance that "needs" (or is rated at 20 amps) 20 amps then a 15 amp breaker will cause damaged to the unit and your house as well but a 30 amp breaker will protect the wiring by not letting it over heat.
A breaker does not control the amount of current (amps). If your device needs 20 amps for more than a short time a 15 amp breaker will kick.
If you put a 30 amp breaker on 14 wire there is a good chance of catching the house on fire before wires melt and short together; kicking the breaker.
If I’m not mistaken; as amperage increases voltage decreases. That is what he is seeing.
The breaker is not kicking out so I am assuming that the unit is not pulling more than it should. That is why my question about “is it not getting hot enough?â€.
My casual observation is that the electrical is fine. If the unit is not reaching the temperature it is suppose to be at… the POS is broke, take it back and get a new one.
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So a 30 amp breaker will allow me to have a greater voltage?
No, and neither will larger wire.
The voltage at the outlet is 120 with out any load. When the kiln "kicks in" the voltage drops to 113. This is on a dedicated 15 amp circuit with NO OTHER devices on it.What can I do to keep 120 volts going to the kiln?
Is there a problem? A voltage drop may be normal. Is the kiln not getting hot enough?
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More info....
Drama WarningI'm sorry I had to leave such a vague message while the board was down these last 12 hours. Some legal threats were made, and I thought it prudent to get legal advice before reacting.
For nearly six years THR has operated as a voluntary community. Oleg has been the face of the board. I assembled and provided the engine. While user contributions were appreciated, I hosted the board almost completely at my own expense and preformed the technical work necessary to keep the system available 24 by 7 and ahead of our ever-growing user demand. The moderators kept things on an even keel, and over 75,000 others have contributed to make the board what it now is. I'm very proud of what we've become, and I’m committed most of all that the Board remain a place we are all proud of and where we all feel at home.
To my deep regret, during these last few weeks an issue that Oleg and I should have worked out privately has become an increasingly public dispute. I deeply regret this development and apologize for having been unable to work through our differences in a less harmful manner. This is an internal dispute, and should not have gotten out in the open forum to be the distraction it has become.
During this time, I have continued to operate THR on exactly the same basis you have come to expect. My assertion this entire time is that the status quo should be maintained unless THR staff decide otherwise, and that we should use a rational process to evaluate potential changes. Having said that, THR has grown substantially these last few years, and our continued growth makes some kind of change inevitable in order to pay for the increasing resource commitments our growth requires.
As far back as I can remember Oleg and have had the understanding that we were joint owners. A few weeks ago, Oleg changed his mind. I have not. We need to resolve this equitably and between ourselves, but in my view neither of us should be willing to proceed in a manner that politicizes the issue and damages this community.
Last night, someone began to use the THR to solicit members to contribute to a legal fight. I took the board down after another moderator dealt with the posts and alerted me to them. This is a perhaps a harsh measure, but I will act as I am able to preserve this community. The Board may not be used to sabotage the Board, and I will insist on that. There are thousands of users out there who just want to use THR as they always have so they can pursue their interests in peace. We have already had many moderators resign due to the tenor of discussions surrounding this issue, and it is my intention that we prevent similar damage to the forum at large.
During whatever happens, I will make every effort to maintain THR in the manner you have all come to expect. I hope cooler heads can prevail to keep THR something we are all happy with and remain proud of.
-- Derek
Sounds like Derek has a new problem.
Derek Zaneah Ban Me for the truth!! Gun related or not.
Derek Zeanah claims it was my intent to transfer ownership of THR to
him. In support he quotes a May 2006 email from me:
"Derek-
Provide me your full info.
I'm gonna change the NetSol contacts to you."
I find it unfortunate that Derek chooses to misrepresent my statements
and position, especially in light of our phone conversation of early
August. I thought I had clearly articulated to Derek my position and
my willingness to join this fray in the most direct and
confrontational manner imaginable, should he choose to draw me into
it. Derek appears hell bent on that outcome, given his out-of-context
quote. If Derek wishes to insist on claiming me as a co-conspirator in
his attempt to hijack this domain, I'll be more than happy to resolve
this issue in a most efficient and direct manner.
TheHighRoad.org domain was owned and paid for by me from inception in
December 2001 thru May 2006. Beginning 2005, I attempted to transfer
Domain Ownership to Oleg Volk, as the name was one of his choosing,
the staff was handpicked by him, and the originally forums were
personally delineated, described and designed by him. On December 2005
I reached out to Oleg and Derek replied:
"I guess I've been nominated to handle the renewal.
It looks like it's currently registered to you. Would you prefer to
renew it (and I'll send you a check), or transfer it, or something
else?
Thanks."
I asked that we transfer. Derek responded on that date that he was
unable to create an account with Network Solutions to accept transfer
of the domain. In the end I responded:
"I've paid you up for another year. You don't owe me anything, but
please effect a transfer ASAP before this falls thru the cracks
again."
Justin Guyett was witness to this email exchange. To my knowledge and
understanding, Derek was representing himself as Oleg's agent in this
transfer. I had no personal relationship with Derek and would never
have knowingly subsidized a site for him; nor would I have transferred
the domain name to him.
On May 16, 2006, Derek approached me to see if I wanted to co-locate
TFL at his location. I passed on the offer but reiterated the need to
move the domain:
"BTW, I really need to transfer ownership of THR. Can you assist?"
Once again, Derek had troubles effecting the transfer. It was in this
context that I emailed him, stating
"Derek-
Provide me your full info.
I'm gonna change the NetSol contacts to you."
Derek finally effected the name transfer to GoDaddy.com and that was
the last I heard of it.
At no time was I aware that Derek was acting as anything but Oleg's
personal agent. Had I been aware that Derek was acting for his own
benefit I would never have transferred the domain name to him. It is
my position that Mr. Zeanah had fraudulently misrepresented himself to
me. If he persists in publicly hiding behind my statements, taken out
of context, I will have little choice but to join this legal fray,
recover the domain name thru the courts and pursue Mr. Zeanah for my
legal fees.
Best regards-
Rich Lucibella
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Downloaded, thanks
I have a Glock Armorers Manual in PDF format if someone wants to host it. It’s about 7MB.
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You'll need an FFL if you're going to take work in.
And that is the problem.
I’m a Toolmaker and guns have always been a hobby, so I think I have (or could gain) the skills to be a Gunsmith.
However… that is impossible where I live unless I either have a building in an area zoned commercial or work for someone else. I don’t see either of those as an option.
I don’t think you have to have an FFL to take work in; but I could be wrong. I’m not aware of any law that would keep me from working on a gun in the shop where I work.
But you certainly would have to have one to ship or receive.
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I dont have a problem with you Dave.
What pissed me off is you saying "But giving a HCP to a blind guy is reckless…. Criminal reckless"
Thats just not right,nor is it your place to regulate what he can or can not do.
You have no clue as to his limits.So why you would say that beats me
I wasn’t commenting on him specifically. But while it may not be my place to regulate what he can or can’t do; I hope someone at the state level is.
Why did that piss you off? If a person can’t distinguish the good guys from the bad guys or a threat from a non-threat; they have absolutely no business carrying a gun. That is common sense. If the person is not blind and can pass the HCP range test, but is going somewhere else with this “legally blind†scenario… then disregard my comments because I don’t understand what he is talking about.
As I said mentally ill people are not allowed to have guns and no one seems to have a problem with that. Many of those people are disabled through no fault of their own.
He eluded to the fact that if someone is deaf or blind and someone knocks on the window of the car they are justified in opening fire because they have been startled. He also is suggesting that because his specially equipped vehicle is expensive and its loss would limit his lifestyle; that may be justification for the use of deadly force.
If you think that a Jury or a Prosecutor would give that person preferential treatment after they killed an innocent person; believe it. As a former Police Officer and having been involved in many shooting cases and trials; I can assure you that we do not have a justice system, we have a legal system.
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now this is one thing that I can't understand. why can an off duty LEO, having no more and no fewer rights than me, able to carry anywhere he pleases, while I have to leave mine in the car just to go pay the cable bill. I mean, that's the whole point of licensed carry isn't it? to make sure that the people who are "allowed" to exercise their rights are responsible enough to do so?
No rights involved.
Cops are part of a “Special Groupâ€, just as you are.
It is illegal to carry a gun in Tennessee and 97% (or the vast majority) would be arrested if caught doing it.
You, on the other hand have purchased a special privilege from the state. You spent 8 hours (maybe) smoking and joking at the range and paid the state $115 so you could lug a gun around.
A cop, on the other hand has spent far more time training and meeting state mandated requirements. Carrying for him is a job requirement. However, it appears that Tennessee does put some restrictions on cops depending on whether or not they are “on dutyâ€. I don’t think most states make that distinction.
No one should be handling a loaded firearm in any building while groups of people are around; that includes cops and HCP holders. If you don’t check weapons at the door of a gun show someone will have an AD/ND.
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Obviously Dave you have dyslexia.
http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=173217&postcount=34
Maybe they should take your guns from you because your unable to read the no carry signs.
Dont make it a habit to argue over something you are unaware about
I can read the signs just fine. But more importantly I can identify my target and make decisions based on what is around it.
I thought HM was trying to discuss situations specific to people with disabilities and what the legal outcome would be. Apparently I was wrong.
If you have a problem with this discussion you could shoot me a PM and I won’t post. But accusing me of having dyslexia or saying that I am unaware of the issues isn’t necessary.
I’m sorry that he is blind and that you are in a wheelchair, but if either of you think the legal system will give you a break in a shooting; you are wrong.
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What physical property? I agree it's theft, but can you explain your thinking?
Sure. The forum software, the database, any forum owned hardware; these are all property.
If I took control of this forum and locked your brother out; I have taken physical control over property that I do not own. I don’t care if the servers that I am controlling are sitting in his living room, mine, or a rented office space, if I have locked him out of controlling this forum; I have committed theft.
If I were the responding Officer and this other guy could not show me proof of ownership his choice would be to allow the owner to take control of the forum, or go to jail and settle it in criminal court.
And since your brother and I are both in Rutherford county I would expect that is what the Deputies would tell me when they came to my house.
But as I said before we (or at least I ) have only heard one side of this story. Maybe the guy owns part of that forum or has some kind of lien against it.
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Tulsa… as in Oklahoma?
Does the state have a Fleeing Forcible Felon statute?
Did he know the neighbor had been shot when he opened fire?
The shoot is not one that I would make, but is probably lawful if he saw that the neighbor had been shot. Hearing gun shots and seeing someone running won’t cut it.
If the fleeing felon pointed a gun at me; it’s okay to kill him.
In Tennessee v. Garner the SCOTUS has held that Police Officers may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the Officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious injury to the Officer or others. I don’t know if a citizen would be treated any differently; I doubt it.
EDIT: Nevermind… I just read post #13.
All that typing and thinking for nothing.
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1. If you waited till the BG was "within striking distance" of you standing, say 10' and you believe you could draw, get on target and fire in that time, then I would say that is a safe distance for you. However if you were in a wheelchair, or Sticks for that matter, you already know you cant outrun him, or increase distance, so is 10' still plausible. Another ? if you were on sticks, with a waist holster, would you be quick enough at 10" to drop our sticks, draw, get on target, and fire in 10'with lots oif practice, I THINK this might be doable. but then a wheelchair...a waist holster, arguably the quickest location to get to your weapon and draw, is virtually inaccessible in a chair with arms. The things i came up with on this one, were a shoulder rig, a vest pocket, under the leg(not the best idea, but plausible, or OC in a holster attached to the side of the wheelchair, or [possibly CC in a holster attached to the inside of the chair armin a crossdraw position. All slow choices, so say , to my mind at least, 25' would be a reasonable distance.
25 feet sounds good to me wheelchair or no wheelchair. The distance is not important as the attackers intent and ability to inflict harm. No one said you had to wait to draw. If a guy is runnning at me with a baseball bat, he will be running at a firearm pointed at him. I would like to be able to say that he saw the wepon; but that is not nessessary.
2. This one is harder to come up with a good demonstration, but this is what i thiought of. get in toiur car, start it up, rollup all the windows, crank the radio, put on a hat, with "blinders(i used cardboard and tape to do this oneattached to a ball cap), then concentrate on doing a crossword puzzle, with the paper laying in the passenger seat. the belief here was if you cant induce the absense of sound, then overload the sense to obliviate it. then have a friend come up and start tapping on the window rill he gets your attebntion. Scared the bejeez out of me. at that point try to make an informed decision with the facts you have, outof breath, gun in hand, beating on window. I dont think I could find it in myselkf not to try to draw .
Draw all you like, but if you pull the trigger you are going to prison.
You can’t kill someone because they scare you.
3. Sa change this scenario to krystaks at 3am only car, customer on the lot/. The point I was trying to make here is while you can go to alamo, enterprise, pr hertz and rent another car THAT SAME DAY. the person with the disability could not. find another one that quick come hell or high water. Also we dont want to ask for help and eides, and someone to take us to the doctor, or the store, or the mall, or the GF's houde, or the conviencne store, or the movies, or the library, yadayadayada. When that vehicle is stolen, it makes a dramatic, life changing experience even more difficult. Especially when you realiize that the insurance Co will probably not pay to re[place all the accessibilty devices you will need to operate the vehicle. While I agree with your thoughts, I think it would be a bitter pill to swallow, but it is just propertyYour story would pale in comparison when the parents of the 6 year old innocent bystander you killed in the parking lot addressed the court at your sentencing hearing.
4. I made this one to easy, LOL
i AM TRYING NOT TO BE ARGUMANTATIVE!!!!!!!
but I do want opinions, as these issues are what comes up when we with disabilities get together and talk about the state of the union, the breakdown of society, and mankind at his worst. A lot of the choices and abilities you have are not available to us.
I’m sure you have more challenges that most of us.
But giving a HCP to a blind guy is reckless…. Criminal reckless.
There are people with disabilities that through no fault of their own are barred from having guns and carry permits. People with mental disorders can’t have guns.
The worst thing that can happen after a shooting is you get arrested. Whether that happens is going to depend on whatever evidence the police have when they get there; it's certainly not going to depend on whether the lawyer's there or not. It's not like your lawyer could argue with the police when they go to take you away.
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That’s true. Are you comparing a .380 to a .45ACP?
And at one time (I don’t know if this is still true) more people died in the U.S. by being shot with a .22 than any other caliber. Does that make it a good carry round?
I didn’t claim it did. You ask about documentation and I am giving you my real life experience. Some people on this forum ask for help because they don’t know. They look to people here that have experience; recommending a .380 for carry isn’t fair to them.
Isn’t WWB in .380 FMJ? If you think there is such a thing as a good defensive round in .380 why would WWB not be it?
That’s fine. My point was where does this $300 figure come from? He said his girlfriend’s brother could afford something good. He wants to get a handgun based on an area of town he will be working in. Apparently he feels there is a real threat.
Come on man, we are having a discussion here. Can we lay off the cheap shots? You are a moderator.