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  1. Reminder !!!! This one is coming up in just over a month! If over half of defensive gun uses are in reduced lighting and you have not trained in those conditions you might want to consider taking this class.
  2. +1 . I'd argue that fending off a guy who is armed with a knife while you are seated in the passenger seat of a car is pretty stressful yet once I got the gun out and created some space I saw the sights clearly because I LOOKED for the sights. I also took the time (less than a second) to scan the back ground for what was beyond the target in case of a shoot through or a miss. So when people try to tell me it CAN'T be done that just does not match my own experience. Incidentally I had that discussion about the incident and the scanning the background with a student one time. I told him about how fast things can be processed in your mind and it can look like other things and people are in slow motion. I related that I had the time to look at the back ground as I got the gun up and on the sights and that I still had enough dexterity to take up the slack on the trigger AND then let off the trigger without firing the gun once the threat decided that he really didn't want to get shot. I was able to do this without any spastic accidental jerking of the trigger. And that was with a 1911(So much for NEEDING a DA trigger to prevent ADs) And your hands do not ALWAYS turn to flippers during the incident. (Afterward the adrenaline dump did make my hands shake but not until after it was over). So now fast forward about 8 months and that same student who works as a bail bondsman gets into a gunfight while trying to take a bail jumper into custody. He told me that IN THE MOMENT he remembered what I had said and he actually LOOKED at the background (an urban parking lot feeding into a city street) as the gun was coming up out of his holster and BEFORE he pressed off the first shot. He said "It was just like you said" . He shot and hit the guy twice, the bad guy ran off and his lawyer negotiated his surrender to the police a couple of months later. Apparently one round hit the bad guy's gun and one hit him in the leather belt he was wearing and deflected off leaving 2 superficial arm and torso wounds (so much for pistols knocking people down) . Point is that we don't all experience exactly the same phenomena and we don't all react the same to it. You tend to do what you have practiced and planned for...
  3. The better you can shoot.... the better you can shoot. Period. Even under stress. And it seems that those who start out at a high level seem to do just fine. If you start out at the top of the mountain and tumble down 25% of the way you are still pretty high up that mountain. If you start out only 25% of the way up the mountain and you fall 25% of the way down under stress then you are now in a heap at the bottom. If you can draw and shoot a 3 shot 4" group at 7 yards in 2 seconds and you suffer a 25% reduction in ability due to stress then that is now a 5" group in 2.5 seconds. If you can only do it in 4 seconds that is now a 5" group in 5 seconds. (This is not directed at any individual in this thread) What annoys me is when people who can't shoot well by virtually any metric work in the training industry and take money from people and tell them that as long as they hit the target (generally the size of a king size bed sheet) any where then that is good for you and bad for them. And they use that as a justification for sloppy marksmanship. And they refer to vague "pearls of wisdom" like "you won't be able to see your sights in a gunfight" that was wisdom from a time when sights on "combat pistols" were largely tiny little nubs compared to the sights we have today. Look at the sights on a 1911 built in 1920 or even a 1911A1 made in 1943 vs a modern one made by Springfield or Wilson or virtually any other manufacturer. But the "instructor" is still telling people that you won't be able to see them and therefore they damn the student to not using their sights under stress for lack of even trying to look for them. Self fulfilling prophecy. Garbage in garbage out. Unfortunately there are too many people hanging up a shingle and calling themselves instructors that don't have a good enough contextual and historical body of knowledge to know that what they are saying might not apply today or WHY it might not apply. And frankly too many of them don't shoot at a level to have any idea of what actually is possible and what is not. On the other hand there are plenty of folks (Cirillo and Bill Allard, Charles Askins,Wyatt Earp,John Wesley Hardin etc etc) who saw sights and used them and won a bunch of gunfights. Why? Because they LOOKED for them. The interesting thing is that all those guys could shoot well....hmm...maybe there is a cause and effect relationship ? Now I'm not saying you will ALWAYS have to see sights to hit a human in the upper chest . In fact I am a big proponent building a drawstroke and grip that drives the gun to where it needs to be whether you look at the sights or not and then using just enough visual verification to guarantee the hit and no more . Some shots are so easy that you can make them without focusing hard on the sights. Think about a shot on an aggressor 3 yards away. That is not a technically difficult shot to make and most people can make it from less than full extension. But If you spend all of your time on shooting fast garbage can lid sized groups at 3 yards and you are then confronted with a guy 10 yards away in a parking lot filled with a bunch of "organic backstop " (people) down range then suddenly things just got really dangerous for EVERYONE. AJ mentions the 4" group as fast as you can deliver it. (and the key here is to do it FAST). That is something to strive for in training and we understand that we might still end up with a 6" group at speed under stress. I personally want to keep it all in a 3" circle and work toward that (as fast as I can) so that if it is 4 or 5 under stress that is still adequate to hit them somewhere very close to the spot I was actually trying to hit. And we are trying to hit a SPOT. We are not just trying to hit the guy "somewhere...more times than not....most of the time". If your "acceptable standards" are high in training then your "stress degraded performance" is probably still higher than most people's "best case scenario performance" . (That last comment was an understatement ...there is a reason that the average police hit ratio is 25% and certain specialized units like LAPD SWAT and SIS (Special Investigation Service) is more like 95%. And it does not have anything to do with the gun in their holster. It has to do with their level of training and the standards they accept as "good enough". ) In the end we just do not know what the problem we face will be. It will PROBABLY be 3 or 4 yards but it could be 34 yards. Andy Brown shot Dean Mellberg from 75 yards away with a Beretta 92 to stop the Fairchild Air Force base shooting in 1994. He hit Mellberg in the head and right shoulder. Vic Stacy shot Charles Ronald Conner from 50 yards away with a revolver while Conner was trying to kill officer Steven Means in Early,Texas in 2012. He hit him 4 times. I'm guessing Brown and Stacy probably both saw their sights.......
  4. Come out to the TN/GA/AL Training day on FEB 22 and you will get a full day of it .......
  5. At that distance YOU may not be the immediate object of the attacker's attention. You might be engaging them to save someone else.
  6. Due to the freak snow storm we are going to reschedule this one. The roads are just too hazardous going up the mountain so we are going to pull the plug on this one today and reschedule. Stay tuned for details.
  7. Reminder ! This one is just a month away. If you want to learn to run your red dot pistol smoothly and efficiently this is the place to do it.
  8. And in 23 years of carrying 24/7 365 I have never been asked for a permit by a restaurant I was in ....but then again I don't feel the overwhelming need to open carry in restaurants ..... You know who NEVER gets hassled or harassed or has to answer questions about their gun ? People who keep them concealed.....just sayin' .
  9. The problem with .380 is that almost none of it (if any) is IWBA compliant. That is none of it expands well AND penetrates 12". Now do you ALWAYS need 12" of penetration? No . The old dude who killed the guy in the movie theater for throwing popcorn at him had no problem with .380 working. He also shot a guy at arm's length who was wearing nothing thicker than a t-shirt. On the other hand I have seen binder clips used to hang targets get hit with .380 and suffer a dent....the same clips hit with 9mm had holes all the way through them. The only thing that FOR SURE delivers adequate penetration in a .380 is FMJ ( I like the winchester flat point). In a HP the one that seems to open up AND penetrate fairly well is the Hornady XTP (or a similar load using that same bullet like the Fiocchi Extrema using the XTP projectile). Just beware that the Fiocchi case rims are a little thicker than Hornady and can cause extraction/ejection issues in some guns. The up side to 380 is it fits in truly small guns that used to only be the size envelope for .25ACP or .32ACP . The Glock 42 and the Kahr P380 and CW380 are true pocket pistol sized guns that actually work reliably and have decent sights and they can be shot pretty well.
  10. One further comment on patterns of buckshot. One load to the next can make a HUGE difference. I was teaching a class in Knoxville several years back and one of the students had a Mossberg that was throwing "Hollywood quality wall of lead " patterns at 10-15 yards...that is pellets ALL OVER the target and some NOT on the target. I'm pretty sure it was mostly a matter of his particular gun not liking that particular shell. We substituted some of the Hornady TAP buckshot (the original Flight Control) and suddenly it was throwing palm sized groups.....at 20 yards.... So if you are having trouble with your patterns the Federal Flight Control and Hornady TAP will certainly tighten them up. It is like a "choke in a box of shells". In 2014 (IIRC) I was in Tom Givens' 2 day shotgun class in Memphis. I had brought a mix of RIO birdshot (cheap and excellent quality) some Federal Walmart value pack birdshot with aluminum rims (cheap and absolutely AWFUL- it would not reliably eject from my Scattergun Tech 870) and for the practice buckshot I had a bunch of Estate Tactical Low Recoil buckshot and some Federal H13200 (Low Recoil) for qualification. Tom looked at the Estate boxes and kind of "sneered" saying something to the effect that it was garbage and probably would not pattern well at all. When I shot it at 15 yards it threw the entire pattern inside the 8" "Down Zero" area of the targets we were shooting. Tom looked at it curiously and just shook his head. The point being that SOMETIMES a particular gun will like a particular load better than another and sometimes it will shoot one very well that you might not expect it to shoot well at all.
  11. Limit on Garands is 8 per calendar year . Limit on 03 Springfields is 1 per calendar year (when they have them). The last 2 years I have gone on the Friday before Labor Day. I went specifically looking for a Garand in 2018 and there was not one there I'd even shoot a rabid dog with. They were all rough looking field grades with Hackberry Stocks. I ended up getting a bayonet and some slings and other trinkets and found a REALLY nice Garand on Gunbroker that I was willing to pay for. Then in 2019 I went specifically looking for an 03 Springfield this after they had been getting some in and as you would know they had some 03 Springfields and a bunch of NICE Garands.....when I was not looking for one nor ready to pay for one. I drooled over some of the Garands and got a nice Rock Island 03 Springfield and bayonet. The Garands were some of the ones that came back from the Philipines and they cleaned up very nicely. NIce GI stocks too. Oh well that's just my luck. If you go you should also check out the Berman Museum in Anniston LOTS of guns and historical stuff collected by a CIA guy who filled up 8 passports travelling the world and "acquiring" artifacts. Hilter's tea set and some of Mousilini's stuff is in there. The museum was well worth the trip for me. And then go hit Cooter Brown's Rib Shack and you've had a full enjoyable day.

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