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About chances R

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  • Birthday 11/10/1953

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  1. The new CCP has only been out 2 weeks. Too early to tell its acceptance/ reciprocity. However, ND has already announced it will accept only the ECP.
  2. Legal point=legal opinion many of the laws have not been fully tested, ie, court precedent.
  3. Same old conversation. One cannot be for constitutional carry and assume one is suddenly trained anymore than assuming a ECP class makes one qualified to carry routinely. I have taught a couple thousand students, and there is a very small percentage I would be comfortable with being downrange. I think the class has some excellent legal information. Classes of a tactical nature are strongly recommended/necessary.My opinion doesn’t solve anything. But many of the posts contradict themselves.
  4. And neither can the Enhanced Permit. One of the gripes is that the enhanced was a name change only, not a damn thing was “enhanced.”
  5. Use to but dropped TN when the Military qualification was passed that included 18-20 yo. That is the concern regarding the new CCO permit. Hopefully all states will be as diligent as Nebraska when evaluating the new permit situation. Some are likely to use it as an excuse to drop us altogether.
  6. Company policy for employees is your 'law'. Even though in most circumstances you can store your firearm in your vehicle legally, your company may fire you for not combing your hair; just the way it is. The law you posted has no protection for you choosing to carry on company property/facility.
  7. 1. You know the owner's position...….shop elsewhere 2. Not a legal posting, doubtful charges would be placed, but could be. Be prepared to spend money for attorney and possible defense should you choose to carry. 3. Concealed means concealed. If you are 'discovered', don't be an ass, return gun to car or simply leave; refer to #1.
  8. First, this class IS NOT a 'shooting class'. The shooting is simply to document a minimal level of competence with a firearm. If you shoot as much as you say you do, you should be able to do it blindfolded. The class does emphasize safety and law. Being prior military does not prove any of the 3 points. But the TFA says it best and I will post it here...….. From TFA newsletter" "So, should a citizen who wants to carry legally with a permit opt for the original (now enhanced) permit or the “concealed only” permit? The answer is clear – get the original permit. Why? First, the original / enhanced permit allows open or concealed carry. Many people do not plan to carry openly so they assume that they can save the $35 dollars and get the concealed only option. However, there are risks to that. Florida and other states have had “concealed only” permits for years. One common problem (that Florida finally fixed) was that some of those statutes do not defined what “concealed only” means. A related problem is that some of those statutes do not address whether “imprinting”, accidental exposure or even unavoidable exposure (such as placing the weapon in your vehicle trunk to secure it at a gun free zone) are allowed or whether such exposures can result in criminal charges. In Florida, prior to its law being rewritten, people could be and were charged with imprinting and incidental exposure of the firearms. Despite the clear need to address a definition of concealment and what happens with imprinting or incidental exposures, Tennessee’s new “concealed only” permit does not address these issues at all. See, Tennessee Code Annotated Section 39-17-1366. Opting to get the “concealed only” Tennessee permit may put someone at risk for criminal charges because the law was poorly (perhaps intentionally) written based on the information we have from other states. Second, not necessarily in order of significance, is the issue of reciprocity. Right now, about 35 states honor the Tennessee original/enhanced permit. It is not known for certain how many will honor (if at all) the “concealed only” permit. What we do know is that several states changed their reciprocity standards when Tennessee started issuing permits to certain 18-20 years olds a few years ago. It is foreseeable that the training differential between the two Tennessee permits might result in different reciprocity standards as well. Third, the concealed only permit is not a defense or exception to the same extent that the original/enhanced permit is. One area is with respect to certain schools/universities which do have exceptions for the original/enhanced permits (mainly for employees). Another area impacts hunters who hunt during archery and black powder seasons who should absolutely avoid the concealed only permit. Fourth, as mentioned above, a citizen can apply for a “lifetime” original / enhanced permit. No such option is presently available for the concealed only permit. Fifth, involves an issue many citizens don’t consider. The training requirement might become an issue. There are clear differences in required training to get either permit. The training for the original/enhanced permit requires both classroom and range training. The training for the “concealed only” permit may or may not include range training depending on what kind of training the person opts to rely upon (for example, most hunter safety courses require that you at least shoot a gun once). This training may or may not make a difference on the question of whether you were legally carrying a firearm (a criminal law question similar to whether you had a driver’s license). However, if things go bad as they did with the Texas church shooting, the presence or absence of training and what kind of training was involved may make a difference if a third party is injured and brings a civil negligence or recklessness action. There are many other factors to consider but after the Tennessee Firearms Association looked at the legislation we felt it was best to oppose this new proposed “concealed only” permit as poorly written legislation, legislation that creates needless civil and criminal traps for civilians, and legislation that was unnecessary since Tennessee already had a permitting system that itself just needed a few tweaks such as reducing the application fee or expanding the training options. Rather than do that, however, the legislature made things worse rather than better. On a positive note, some Tennessee legislators realized then and now that this second option of a concealed only permit was not the path that Tennessee should have been on. Seventeen states including 4 that touch Tennessee have adopted pure constitutional carry laws (no permit required at all). Approximately 30 states, including 7 of the 8 states that touch Tennessee, do not require permits or training if you are openly carrying a firearm. In October 2019, a new bill was filed in Tennessee that would if enacted adopt “constitutional carry” or “permitless carry” in Tennessee but which would still allow people to get the original/enhanced permit for reciprocity. That is what Tennessee’s legislature should have done in 2019. Let’s see what they do in 2020."
  9. Not to mention other professional licenses.
  10. Personally I wouldn’t take the chance. With red flag and any excuse to deny one a firearm, too risky.
  11. Sounds to me you are good to go. I would go ahead and take the course with your wife without delay. If you do get tripped up, you have a year from your course to complete the permit process. As far as your wife’s gun, she may use any gun in the course and carry whatever she chooses as there is nothing that occurs that identifies the weapon or its origin.
  12. My carry gun is what I am confident in and comfortable in carrying. Cost is not a big deal relative to the value of my life. If it lays in an evidence locker, that cost will be a drop in the bucket.
  13. similar situation which I posed to an ATF agent. TN resident/father gifting his firearms to an adult daughter in another state. He said legal, no paperwork.
  14. That's less than half of what my yacht cost. If only it had dock access.......

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