c.a.willard

daveS,  since the state is about to rest their case on friday and likely the only witness they have left to call is TM's mother to testify to the screams, do you at this point think they have met the burden of proof for either manslaughter or murder 2.  Not necessarily do you think Z is guilty just do you think the state has provided enough proof beyond reasonable doubt.

Thats what they get for not understanding the privacy settings

looking like the states gonna rest their case either late today or early friday morning.  Judge just said shes prepaired to go as long today as necessary to get the state to rest

If you knew your government was doing something wrong and had the information would you release the information then hide in a non extradition treaty country and provide those foreign countries with US intelligence data.

It's called she made a mistake, knows better and has learned from this lesson

I agree that the NSA's actions in gathering the type of information i the way they did and targeting of U.S. citizens is a complete disregard to the constitution and is very well within the bounds of tyranny.  I also agree that for whatever reasons he did it Snowden allowed for a wake up call for the American people.     What i am trying to reconcile for myself are his actions that i see as very much patriotic and his demonstrated strong belief in our constitution vs those actions that definitely meet the criteria for espionage.   I guess my question for myself is can a person be both a traitor and a patriot?  

we do know that at a minimum he has released some details to china of NSA hacking of a prominent Chinese university known for its research and home to seven major Chinese networks.   That's foreign intelligence gathering against what many consider to be a credible threat to US policy.   I also assume that countries likely to harbor him will not do so without receiving something in return,  a chance to say a big F-U the US is not necessarily enough for the damage that harboring Snowden may do.  But who knows we piss enough people off that just the chance to screw with the U.S.  may be all the incentive they need.    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/482084/20130623/nsa-snowden-china-hong-kong-tsinghua-pacnet.htm

But is a man a patriot if he sells/trades US intelligence secrets pertaining to foreign intelligence gathering for the ability to stay in a non extradition country.

Got to admire the ammount of time your taking to get out accurate information regarding this trial.    I think you've already racked up more man hours than the entire prosecution judging by their performance.

When this story first broke i very much considered snowden a patriot.  His decisions since then are leading me to believe otherwise.  Mainly releasing to china us intelligence gathering techniques used to monitor the chinese.  and telling a reporter that he took the job as a NSA contractor specifically to gain access to certain information.  This coupled with the countries that he is choosing to remain in is leading me more to the traitor side of the argument.

most of her version was the same, but this time around she said that she heard movement that sounded like it was moving from left to right and never mentioned direction of movement before.  Which would have been a big boost to the prosecution had she not been completely torn apart

holy crap, The state better hope their other eye witnesses are better than the first. brief recap   gave different testimony today than at 4 other interviews may have discussed testimony with her sister to get the story strait liked the J4T facebook page signed the change.org petition  arrest the killer of our son 17 year old trayvon martin said she waited to go to the police to avoid the media attention, yet did a long interview with the media that was never aired prior to going to the police

Wrap up from the first eye witness.   Gave different testimony today than at 4 previously recorded interviews   Liked the J4T facebook page   signed the change.org petition titles arrest the killer of our son 17 year old trayvon martin   said she waited to go to the police to avoid the spotlite, yet did a long interview with the media that was never aired prior to speaking with the police

Social media strikes again.     Key state witness after being interviewed 4 seperate times just today says that she heard noises moving from left to right.  Defense brings in her FB page where she liked the J4T facebook page.  

IF you thought her cross was bad for the prosecution you should be watching ms bahadoors cross if your not already.       watching this trial is almost as entertaining as watching the walking dead.

I understand that, all im saying is that there is in fact a difference between ethnicity and race when it comes to statistical data gathering

Couple things,  there are actually white hispanics.  For census data the US does not consider hispanic a race rather it is an ethnicity many LE departments reports are written up this whay to where they have a block for race and another for ethnicity.  So a white person having origins in latin america, mexico etc would be considered a white hispanic  white denoting race and hispanic noting ethnicity.  just as a black person having origins in the same country would be a black hispanic.     On a more important note at least we can all settle the caliber debate once and for all.  a 9mm from a keltec incapacitated a person in one shot.  :)-

There are a few really good aftermarket voice to text that seem to work better than the app's that come on the phone

everyone that's asking the guys that feel Zman is guilty to justify their opinions are seem to not have a good understanding of opinions.  Our opinions are formed not just by the information we have but the context in which we interpret that information.  TMF and DaveS interpret the information differently than i do but thats based on their knowledge and experience and mindset when looking at the information they are given.  I see nothing wrong with them having that opinion especially when for the most part both seem willing to accept that the trail is where the truth of the event is mostly likely to come out and whichever way it goes both seem willing to accept the decision.  

I dont think it says to much about you individually.  I think it does speak volumes to the type of people who frequent this forum.  there are some truly good hearted souls on here.

yea i think my time as an MP is part of why i declined having an officer come out.  I did call just to report the event and gave the dispatcher pretty much everything they would have had in a full report.  Mainly just for their crime data mapping and trend reports.     We used to go have to do reports on the stupidest things that were a waste of everyone's time.    Had to go to one once where a lady thought some kids knocked over a pink flamingo in her yard.  What it actually was the thunderstorm that happened just a little bit before she called.    My most favorite of all was a tree that fell on someones house from a storm only damaged the house and the guy had not renters insurance so it was legitimately just a housing concern. They made us do a full report on it, so i asked what shout i put in the subject line.  Desk SGT told me to put act of god.  So for the subject i put god and listed him as at large,  never had to go to one of those calls again.

Like mike said the trading post here is a wonderfull tool.  If im not sure if im pricing right ill usually go with my higher number and let it sit for a few days and then lower it accordingly.  I think most others do the same.  I cant speak for others but i know for me im always willing to negotiate some, so if the price seems a little high a simple PM of what you consider a reasonable offer is usually enough to get the ball rolling in the right direction.  

So who else is watching the streaming video of the trial.  So far i think the defense has had a much better opening argument.

if i had anything that individually identified them i would have.  

I'm posting this so that others can learn from my mistakes.   Brief synopsis.     Last night i returned home from fishing around 11-11:15  went to bed around 1 in the morning.  My wife woke up with our daughter around 630 this morning.  Got ready for work and went outside to get in her car.  When she got to her car she noticed her GPS wasn't in the vehicle so she came back inside and asked me if i had moved it.  I went outside and checked my truck and sure enough mine was gone to.  Normally i lock my truck, but my remote lock is currently broke and last night i forgot to lock it back up after getting my fishing gear out of the truck(laziness on my part).  My wife almost never locks her car when its in the driveway although we've had the discussion of why she should about a 100 times.  I guess in the future we will both be more carefull about ensuring our vehicles are locked.   Thankfully they did not take my wife's work computer from the back of her car.  She is a social worker that works with the aged and disabled and that laptop contains a lot of personally identifying information on her clients.  Names, addresses, SSN's,  Finances all sorts of stuff.  Not sure why she left it in the car but i don't think she is likely to again.  We didnt have the serial numbers for either device written down so the likelihood of them ever being found is absolutely nil.   We live on a culdesac and this is the first incident of something like this i know of happening in my neighborhood.  Mainly i got complacent   The worst part is i absolutely know better.  After 10 years as an MP and all sorts of training in physical security i know that leaving your vehicle unlocked with a GPS in sight is a really good way to have it stolen.  I also know that you should record the serial number of anything valuable because that is the most likely way of it being recovered.  I didn't do either and my cost for this will be replacing two GPS units.    I called CPD to let them know it had happened but declined to have an officer come out and do a full report, mainly because i feel it would be a waste of that officers time.  I just wanted the information recorded for their crime mapping data as it effects patrol distribution planning.     I think that everyone has the opportunity to learn from others mistakes so i would like to offer my mistakes for your learning benefit.  I had all the knowledge to prevent this from happening i just did not actively do anything to prevent the theft of my property.