Fallguy

If at all possible I would be there. Have you thought of a location? If not I might suggestion the Bicentennial Mall. Since it is a state park carry is legal their and it is close to the capital, where carry is illegal.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/ohio.pdf

Did you know that even if you have never applied for a DL but are arrested for DUI, driving with out a DL, etc.... the DOS issues you one with a revoked status? I guarantee you that the person couldn't go apply for a new DL claiming they never have before. The piece of plastic and the record of it kept in the computer system are intertwined and can not be separated. I think we all agree the only otherwise non-criminal offense that can get your HCP revoked or suspended is the "Poses a material likelihood of risk of harm to the public." I don't think any judge worth his salt is going to a say a person that has a HCP, but didn't have it in is possession falls into that category. But if he does, then he does. But HE did it...not the DOS. That is why the law allows for Judaical review, so the DOS is not the end all be all of HCP and there is an external review of their actions.

Good news. While I would rather see HB3125 pass because of the changes made to 39-17-1359 and removing the need to post the ABC signs, HB2694 does accomplish the same thing as far as restaurant carry is concerned.

My point has nothing to do with the computer system. The computer system is simply a way for LEO to check the status, but what the status is, is determined by other means. Being a shall issue state has nothing to do with it...you were issued one at some point. They are not denying issuing you one. My point is that you can't apply for a new HCP...you already have been issued a HCP. It was already issued to you. You did something to screw things up for yourself. There is no getting around it by trying to apply again, because you already have one. When it is first suspended or revoked by the DOS, you have recourse. First by a hearing conducted by the DOS, secondly by the courts. But if after all that is done and you are still revoked, I believe that is the end of the line. I'm not sure if the DOS would, but I'm fairly sure a court would require a higher standard to permanently revoke a HCP than just to suspend for a period of time. Or in other words, it would take more than a minor violation of the law to forever loose your HCP privileges. On your traffic stop scenario...first, if you are carrying your handgun without your HCP in your possession....that is a violation of the law. However (even though I admit they could) I see no reason why the DOS would revoke your HCP for that....they may suspended it. But even if the did revoke it (or suspended for that matter) you can state you want a hearing in which that decision could be reversed. But let's say that it isn't, you can then apply to have a court hear the case in which it could be reversed. I really don't think the DOS or the courts are out to permanently revoke everyone's HCP for minor offenses. About the only changes I could see made in the law (and not sure if it would help or not) is to have separate criteria for revoking your HCP from those that could cause it to be suspended.

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Still having some problems....but now on work computer. I would think it might have something to do with cookies, but it does fine on some threads and not on others....

How would the officer actually know he had "estabilshed residency" in TN though? Maybe he just visits very often? As OhShoot eluded to, what offically establishs residency in TN?

That's the way I was seeing it.... Of course there is a difference between suspeneded and revoked. Suspened can just be temporary of course, once what ever conditions that caused it to be suspended have passed you can apply for reinstatment. Revoked, is revoked.... I understand what JayC is saying in that...under 39-17-1351 there is a specifice list of what can disqualify you from getting a HCP in the first place. Also that there could be things that get your HCP revoked that aren't in that list in 39-17-1351. But kb4ns is right in that you have and only will ever have one HCP, the only thing can change is your status. If your status becomes revoked, under 39-17-1352 and is not changed by any court procedings...then that is it. There is not getting a new one...you have one.....and it revoked.

I need to check a bit more, but it may actually just be one thread I am having this problem with. In that thread I has made a post and subscribed to it, but later the post I was made was moved to a new thread. So now I am still subscribed to the thread, but my post is no longer in it. I'll try to remember and keep check and if it is only in that one thread, it probably has something to do with that and I will either unsubscribe and the subscribe again...or just unsubscribe...lol

Whether it is a link in an e-mail for a subscribed post like.. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37624&goto=newpost or clicking on the Go To First New Post Icon () from the forum page, sometimes it just goes to the top of the thread instead of the first new post. For whatever reason, doesn't seem to happen all the time.

Thank you Sir!

At first I thought there was a problem when I clicked on Forum tools because it kept going to the bottom of the page instead of giving me the choices it used to, but I finally saw the choices at the bottom left of the page, however I when I clicked on "Mark Forum Read" I got the following error message.

Definitely good to think ahead. ...and you're right, what you had to do in a split second will be debated by others not under the same stress and for a much longer period of time. But I guess I've always thought that of all the things that might be running through my mind the split-seconds before pulling the triger...that the civil liability is going to be pretty low on the list. Not that it isn't important, but that I have already realized there could be legal and civil consequences from carrying and/or using a firearm. But again, if I truly feel my life is in danger, the civil consequences are a fairly low priorty...at that moment.

What I have always figured is if the Police don't charge your and/or the Grand Jury No Bill's you, no self-respectable lawyer (I know, I know ) would even take the civil case. I mean if it has already been determined that you broke no law, it just seem the civil case would be pretty hard to prove....and if they loose it's not just "oh well" then they are out a fair amount of money, and surely they judge would order them to pay your expenses first before their own lawyers.

It appears SC law is close to the same... From http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c011.htm

In TN, Yes they can file a suit, but if the shoot is ruled justified they have to pay your lawyer, any lost time from work and any other expenses related to your defense of the suit. Seems like courts have ruled that no law can block someones access to the courts. But they can set out what happens after a ruiling is made. The law in TN does not protect you if an innocent 3rd party is injured/killed or their property is damaged. From: http://www.michie.com/tennessee/

Yep, but as Razorback said you can keep your Indiana permit as well. From Handgun Carry Permit Application Requirements So looks like you'll have to do everything except get fingerprinted again, also will only have to pay the $50 renewal fee instead of $115

My bad....Just disreagard.... Guess what the reading teacher said about comprehension being important too was right.... Out of state whole different ball of wax....

At the risk of derailing this thread...which is not my intent... A pat down and search....and some wonder why some of us don't immediately notify.... I'm sure you consented...but wonder why he felt the need to search your truck. Also apparently the second officer was not aware of the new law that says if you have HCP you can have a loaded long gun in your vehicle so long as a round is not in the chamber. No need for stored separate etc... Glad that end results were favorable for you...

Got a 12 pack of Red Dog in the bottle just a bit ago. Used to get this a lot several years ago and then was hard to find, thought I'd give it another shot.

If it were me I would post it in the Non Firearm Classifieds since what you are wanting to sell are non-firearms. Then in the post note that you are willing to consider taking firearms as trade for the items. I have always that of the forum titles (Firearms, Gear and Non Firearms) as what is being offered for sale or trade, not what would be accepted for trade.

Correct That is one reason even if TN did go like AK, I would probably still get a permit, so I could carry in other states. But it would be nice not to need one to carry in your own state of residence. On TX....at least they have there defense of property laws right.

The only reason I think of is because the orginal bill did have a fiscal note on it.

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