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Although fairgrounds aren't specifically mentioned in 39-17-1311 I think at least some LEOs and Judges would say they could be considered recreational property. If that is the case carry will still be illegal until Sept 1, after that it would depend if Wilson Co., or whatever city the fairgrounds may be within, has "opted out"

Remember though...Natchez Trace is not a gun friendly route. Carry (even loaded weapon in or on your vehicle) still prohibited on the trace until Feb 2010

I guess I meant more of a best case scenario.... Other than the days of week they are open, the definition of a restaurant in the new law is the same standard of a restaurant, but not every other place that serves alcohol is bar by any means. You know some art galleries and spas serve wine....are they bars? There whole argument (now) is that even though the law only allows for carry in a restaurant, that the average person won't be able to know if a place meets the legal definition of a restaurant, that is if they even know there is a legal definition of a restaurant.

No, it says that it is illegal to have a loaded weapon, period. So if you have a loaded gun in your possession you are violating the law, unless you fall under one of the defenses in 39-17-1308. If you're just walking down the street or driving in your car without your permit, one the defenses in 39-17-1308 probably won't apply. The ones about having a HCP or being on your property for sure won't apply. 39-17-1351(n)(1) says the permit shall be in your possession when you are carrying. So if you don't have it with you...you don't have it with you and are in violation. I'm not saying you will always be arrested or your gun taken, I'm just saying that could happen.

...and Moe was the smartest Stooge. Just kidding...just kidding....

As others have said, it really depends on the LEO. Technically you are in violation of 39-17-1307. So he could arrest you for that and confiscate your weapon or..... He could tell you to unload it and store the ammo and handgun separately till you have your HCP back on your person.... or just about anywhere in between. There was a thread on here where a member handed over his HCP at a traffic stop, upon checking it didn't show valid, although it was (technical error) he wasn't arrested, but his handgun was confiscated. Even after it was cleared up it took a lot of effort on his part to get his weapon returned. So if you ever find yourself out and have forgot your HCP, I would unload and it store it separately quick. Also...I would contact your legislators about a bill that would make your car like your home in that no permit is requried.... But untill then probably worth getting a duplicate HCP just to leave in your vehicle.

Well it doesn't exclude vehicles either. It just say property "owned, operated, or managed or under the control" of someone. I would say all 4 apply to the City of Nashville and a MTA bus. I don't get to Nashville often, and have never really paid attention to the buses when I was there....but are they posted?

By Law, Yes By their policy, Not sure, but as you say the issue is not addressed period on their website.

You're right, but I think one reason it wasn't brought up is I think all of the discussions have been dealing with unarmed intruders/thieves and what, if any, consequences there could be on your part for pointing your weapon at them. But you do give a very good example of when a fleeing person is still a threat.

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I got ya, but what I would ask is if they are aware of the statement from their director's office, not if it was ok.

Wonder if people at CNF need to be updated on TWRA policy? What I was quoting was an e-mail I got from TWRA. According to that person she spoke with the assistant director's office. Other than WMA's that might also be on federal land, what WMA's would the statement from the TWRA not apply to? Just to clarify, my orginal question said "as long as you can otherwise legally be on the WMA". So having a HCP doesn't mean you can carry on the WMA if you can't legally be there in the first place, but I think all on here understand that anyway. But as long as you can legally be in the WMA at the time, you can carry your handgun if you have a HCP. At least that is what I take the statements to mean.

One more e-mail from the TWRA Wonder if people at CNF need to be updated on TWRA policy?

No problem. I believe in another thread others have stated that have contacted Cherokee National Forest rangers and were advised carry was prohibited. But I have sent an e-mail to the address on their contact page. I will post any response I get.

I don't think this bill would apply there, but the parks carry bill would. I say this because from what I can tell Big Frog Mountain Vicinity is a Recreational Area in a National Forest under the control of the US Forestry service. The parks carry bill removed (if there was one) any state restrictions in National Forest. However, even though there is no Federal law against carry in National Forest, Federal Law does allow park ranges to issue "special rules" for the parks under their control. Some rangers have used this to ban all firearms carry. I would say the only way to know for sure is to check with the local ranger.

Well if people are doing those things, it just shows you how strictly (or not) they must enforce these policies. I would check further, because I do not know for sure, but it doesn't appear you would be breaking any law if you carried, so worst that could happen is being put off the bus. I assume they will not let you travel in your own vehicle for some reason.

All I can think of is he wants to play at least one year for each team in the league?

From Traveling By Bus From Baggage Information

You still can not use deadly force to protect property, unless you would also be using it for self-defense. Under the law previously, you could not use deadly force while protecting property period. So if you were in a situation, like a attempted carjacking, a DA could have maybe charged with using deadly force to protect property (the car) even though the self-defense law allows for the use of deadly force to prevent a carjacking. The law simply removed that discrepancy. Here is the new law http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Chapter/PC0194.pdf