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There is no doubt that there is a difference between and intruder breaking in, uninvited to your house and when an altercation may arise between you and a once invited guest. I have to agree that the later would be compared more to an altercation that occurred on the street. However I figure the odds would be slightly more on your side in your home. The only real difference between being in your house, car and other "protected" places and on the street in the self-defense law is, simply the presumption that applies when someone unlawfully and forcibly enters one of the protected places.

You're right, what you have in read are the off-limits places/situations for LEOs. The law has changed, but I think maybe only the last parts are relating to Correctional Officers...

From Handgun Carry Permit General Information Effective July 1, 2005, all new handgun permit applicants must provide proof of U.S. Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency. U.S. Citizenship/Lawful Permanent Residency Documents

She should have had to show something for proof of age and something to show citizenship/residency, but neither has to be a birth certificate...or at least the citizenship/residency doesn't. There is a whole list of acceptable documents on the state's website. All I know is 2005 is when they started requiring proof of citizenship or lawful permanent residency.

I imagine some have already..................... Wonder how many people they shot?..................

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I guess you may could get a DUI even after one sip, but the odds are pretty long for it. My point was when you are comparing drinking in the club and then going driving and getting a DUI, that it doesn't fully compare to being armed in the club. That person drinking in the club is not doing anything illegal, even after they leave and start to drive, they may or may not being doing something illegal. But if the armed HCP holder even takes one drink, they are doing something illegal at that moment. Yes, I do trust the vast majority of HCP holders to not not frink and risk their HCP when in these places. To be honest...I even do fill that a person can consume when armed and still not be a danger... that is even allowed in some of the states we have talked about. But I know that would never fly in TN, and I would respect the law here. But even for those that don't punish them, not everyone.

I thought it was supposed to be about business owners giving out misleading or wrong information to create an unreasonable fear.

I don't think you can download the form any longer. They mailed me a reminder and a renewal form about 5-6 months before mine expired. You have to be within 6 months of expiration before you can renew. I did mine in person, that way you have the reciept in hand. Just a note to others...if you got your permit after July 2005 you should not have to show your birth certificate again. That is when the law changed to require proof of Citizenship or lawful permanent residency. So since that point, it has alread been logged when you first applied.

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One difference between the DUI after being at the club and drinking even though you are not supposed to with a HCP is.... That you can drink, then drive. You just aren't supposed to drink "too much". So that is where the trouble is, some people don't know when to say when. But the difference in this law is that you aren't even supposed to have one sip while armed. So you don't have to figure out how many you can have and still "be legal"...the answer when you are armed is NONE.

If you renew before the expiration date on your HCP, then you can still legally carry even after that date so long as you have the receipt showing where you renewed before that date. The others are correct, if you renew after that date, then you can not legally carry until the new permit arrives.

Ok....I've been out of pocket all day, probably the longest time I've ever not at least logged on to see what new post to my subscribed threads. Definitely one of the longest threads I've read (or at least tried to read) from post 1. But anyway.....what day and time are we doing this?

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Glad it went well..hate I couldn't make it....been a wild day for me. Ended up buy a new (for me) truck today...and that was not on my mind when I woke up this morning...lol

I think the law has changed since that opinion. I admit I was once one that that in the "actual performance of their duties" meant more than simply being on the clock. But others were able to make some pretty good arguments (in another thread a while back) and have me at least convinced enough that even if they are eating lunch, there is enough gray area that no one would charge them. But if you makes you feel better, I saw a committee meeting last year where Serpas and a Representative debated this and each had opposite ideas and weren't fully sure. Anyway....here is the law on officer carry.... 39-17-1350

LOL....somewhat.

Not sure if there is anything different when it comes to restaurants, but the only case I know of where someone was able to recover damages from a property owner where something happened to that person was where there was a "known danger". McClung v. Delta Square - the WalMart Case Unfortunately simpling posting a sign does not create a known danger...at least not legally.

That was "as introduced" but it was amended. You can not just go by the caption, you have to follow all of the results and see what amendments were adopted how they may change the bill.