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LOL...well the current law (and the bill leaves this intact) says... But I wouldn't swear that every single one of those locations would have to be posted before a judge would to still convict you.

Yep, but the presumption doesn't apply if they just enter the "curtliage" But the curtliage does include any out buildings etc... you may have on the curtliage, and then the definition of residence includes your curtliage. So if they foricbly and unlawfully enter an out building your are in (remember the part that says "occupied") it is the same as entering your house.

Yep in prominent locations....

I think you're probably right. That's ok...I'll just go to state parks then.

You are right on both accounts sir.

Well you bring up a point....if it is a park (ballfield etc...) on school property, then it would be the right sign in that case. But not for a regular city park.

Sounds like he has posted the wrong signs then....sounds like the sign schools are supposed to post. See 39-17-1309(d)(1) Which does say Felony, $3000 and 6 years.

I don't disagree about bartender not being responsible for protecting persons or property. I just though you said the law didn't stipulate as to why you were in the restaurant and may be armed...and I was just saying that it does mention reasons why you may be in there could be armed. Also....don't see where it says it has to outside people providing the protection.

After looking a bit closer at the bill, it is only carry in the local parks that don't go into effect until Sept 1. State (and National parks if it is ever cleared) parks will go into effect immediately. The part about local goverments being able to vote to prohibit carry and post also goes into effect immediately also, but can't carry till Sept 1.

Well that's not entirely correct, the current law (39-17-1305) has exceptions for certain people in it, including the owner, his employee or agent of the owner of the premises with responsibility for protecting persons or property

The sign is wrong.... See the current law here. See the new law under this bill here which leaves the same punishment in place.

Well it would not have passed if local parks were legal and could not opt out. Barely passed anyway. At least this way they are legal by default and must post a specific sign if the want to prohibit carry. Other than larger cities, I don't think most city/county councils will even take up the issue.

Still same penalty in new law.

Actually it's Class A misdemanor...not matter what "his honor" says.

I didn't read all of the resolution they passed, but I think this one was just to say the disagree with General Assembly. But if they passed that one, passing one to ban carry in their parks probably wouldn't be hard. ...and it will only require a majority vote.

Yes....see more in this thread. There is a federal bill that passed that will allow carry in National Parks. See this thread. The state bill that passed the hosue yesterday simply mentions carry is National Parks is legal to the extent it is allowed by federal law. The bill specifically allow the local governing body of a park to vote to opt out of allowing carry in a local park.

I had thought since car was included that at some point the legislature might allow weapons in cars like your house, but doesn't look like they are ready to do that yet. As far as tents, they are covered under "dwellings". 39-11-611(a)(3) defines a dwelling as â€a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, that has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed for or capable of use by people"

Well I really don't think the long gun and park carry bills will be signed by both speakers and sent to him before the 10 days on the restaurant carry bill expire.....but who knows...

That's about it.....even if it is not a "legal posting" you can be pretty sure if your made you'll be asked to leave. Don't leave and your trespassing. If it is a legal posting, you could be charged for simply carrying past the sign if whoever witnessed the misdemeanor wants to bring charges.

It's not just your home but also within a business, dwelling or vehicle. Of course there are certain exceptions and it is just and assumption, doesn't mean that a DA can't file charges and try to disprove that you were in fear depending on the circumstances of the case. The self-defense law 39-11-611

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What the law, 39-14-405 says is "the owner or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner." I'm going to say at the time you probably wouldn't know who has that authority and who doesn't. So that may not be the time to push your luck. It's probably better to get names and time and then contact the owner/manager later and deal with it that way.

I am out of state the weekend of June 13-16, but other than that I'll take off work if I have to.