Fallguy

Well I wasn't as detailed as I could have been...I was really trying to just make the other point.

Of course I'm not saying a search of your car be done without PC. I also agree as far as "acting" in self-defense the law sees your occupied car and your occupied house as the same thing. I was addressing your statement that if a non-HCP holder can be charged for being in a car where a loaded firearm is, then could also be charged with being in a house where a loaded firearm was. I am saying since it is in the home having or not having a HCP is a non-issue. As far as proximity being an issue...it is my understanding that no firearms can be in a house were a felon lives regardless of who actually owns the firearsm. If this is the case if the mere proximity of them in the home can get one charged with possession, it is not very hard to extend that to the smaller area of the interior of a car.

LOL..I was actually the one that merged the thread you started ....Danile must be catching a bunch more.

@Worriedman There is no difference between your home and car when it comes to use of force and whether the presumption applies, but there is a difference on possession. As JayC pointed out..there is a defense to possession for being at your residence, just like having a HCP. Use of force laws and the laws that cover the tools that may be used for that force are two different things.

No...not "every" LEO, but it only takes one to cost you money, time and trouble.

Good point...if a sign is not going to carry the weight of law, no real need to specify what it says. Also not going to look it up right now, but there is actually a code in TCA that specifies a penalty for a violation if there is not one specified for a certain law.

Would be interesting to see the reaction.... In case your like me and didn't know what a Pepper Box Revolver is and don't want to look it up as I did... [ATTACH=CONFIG]258[/ATTACH] Pepper-box - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually according the Corps webpage, it is not managed by them. Corps Lakes Gateway: Tennessee - Cordell Hull Dam and Reservoir The first three results from a Google search don't mentiong the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers or any restrictions. All that being said....I don't know for sure. I thought that Corp property was off-limits.

Perhaps. That is why I assume the General Assembly removed the requirement for each county to have them and why some no counties longer do. So if a county does still have them, one could assume they serve some purpose in that county....otherwise that county does have the ability to get rid of them.

Chip, Chip, Chip....don't give us all that....you're a lawyer. You are supposed to be able to give a 100% clear cut answer. Because if I give an answer like that someone always wants to hear from a lawyer assuming I must not know what I'm talking about since I can't cleary say legal/not legal. :)

Bud Ice for me again..... Just back from about a 550 road trip....tasting pretty good...

All in all running the gun to see if it is stolen is not much more of a deal than running the car to see if it is stolen, which is pretty much done automatically when you are first stopped. The only real thing is the officer has to take possession to get the information needed to run the check. About to head out the door, so don't have time now, but it does seem I recall reading a post where there was a court decision (not sure what level or court) that said unless the LEO had PC to think the firearm(s) were stolen there was no justification to take possession and check them.

I understand what you are saying...and don't necessarily totally disagree with it....but...... But being a LEO by it's very nature is a dangerous job. You can not eliminate all risk from it. Reducing the risk is fine and long it isn't at the expense of others. (Not say disarming etc... is or isn't) I'm mean the risk of firefighters could be reduced if people were not allowed to have flammable materials, but that's not going to happen. You must accept some danger by the nature of the job. Of course it would be best if you never gave LE a reason to interact with you....but it's going to happen if you drive. But just like all LEOs don't want to be judged by the bad actions a few, there is no reason and armed citizen should be automatically deemed a threat that requires being put on the ground and cuffed just because the didn't make the officer aware of their armed status. That being said, sounds like this was an overall pleasant (as much as getting a ticket can be) experience and all went well. Also totally agree that respect and being courteous is a two-way street....or at least should be.

Thank you for posting Chip.... your refrence to how carry is viewed by the AG in Parks when used by a school is what I was thinking of as well.

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Well I have to admit...I didn't see the sign at all until I read further down in the thread to see it was in the window. I looked around the door and the other notices...sort of where'd you think it woud be.....

I think you may be right and wrong.... Wrong in that Federal Buildings are actually required to post that they are Federal Buildings per 18 USC Sec.930 See more starting on page 4 here Right in that you would probably still be prosecuted. To the OP...IMO this posting does not seem to be "conspicuous" or at the "entrance" but in the end that might be a defense you'd have to use in court not with the ranger.

Sounds about right...

Well that depends. If it is a school, it doesn't matter whether it is public or private or whether students are there or not, you can not carry there. If it is a church building where some classes are held at times, carry may be ok when students aren't there. Now I know of one church run school in Jackson, the school building is completely separate from the church and other church owned buildings. In that case I believe that carry would be ok in all places except the school building.

Don't think this thread serves a useful purpose any longer....

Just as some love Apple (or insert any brand) just because it is Apple...some will hate it, just because it is Apple Apple has released a statement about the signal issue. FOXNews.com - Apple on iPhone Signal Woes: Don't Hold It That Way Thankfully I did order a "bumper" with mine. Not seen any reports of complaints about Facetime, but I'm sure as with any software, the first release is not the last. Don't know of any smartphone that likes to be dropped.... There is only one carrier with a 4g network and it is less available than at&t's 3g network. Also have seen some tech news that showed in some areas the 3g was faster than the 4g. So I think the only real concern maybe the "Death Grip" issue, but most of the reviews I've read said they wouldn't let that be an issue to stop them from getting one.

LOL...yeah not worded the best. You were question asker 1...asking about the legailty of carry in church. Gunner was question asker 2...asking about why would someone carry in church.

What happened to the 2 question askers?... lunarpowered, was the legailty of church carry answered to your satisfaction? gunner, were the reason some gave as to why carry in church compelling or not?

LOL....good point. Would have to allow some consumption if going to attach a BAC The current law 39-17-1321 only prevents consumption by a HCP holder "while within the confines of building open to the public that serves alcohol." Not in private places or out in the open. Also the new law pretty much ended the debate as to whether consumption and under the influence are the same thing as there is an additional penalty for being under the influence above just consuming. That being said...if .08 is good enough to drive a car...should be good enough to be armed.

There is nothing in the law that says that. A lawyer during a civil lawsuit can make a just believe almost anything though. The basic Handgun Safety course required to get your HCP (Handgun Carry Permit) doesn't come anywhere close to making you and expert in firearms, their use or the law. Using your doctor and lay person analogy....it would me more like the HCP holder knows how to put on a band-aid like their mother showed them when they were young...not the level of MD. However if your only intention is to keep a gun in your home for self-defense...there is no real need to get a HCP if you don't want one.