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[quote name='Dolomite_supafly' timestamp='1354294874' post='852873'] It will never be sold in the US. It is a newlt manufactured machine gun so it can only be sold to LE and Gov't types. Dolomite [/quote] Wouldn't the dual-trigger version be legal in the US? Not advocating it, just sayin'...

For the record, it's not typically the class just after the championship that you see the recruiting bump, but the following year's class. Too little time to make up grounds in relationships immediately after the championship - NSD is ~ one month later. Regardless, ND should have great recruiting classes in the near future.

I'm betting inside job - someone knew what was on that car.

[quote name='Il Duce' timestamp='1354220058' post='852527'] People dog the cars but they are actually really safe. Basically driving in a roll cage [/quote] Great, but you can't beat physics - hit a 4500 lb car and your going to be hurting.

Don't forget Rowdy Burns in [i]Days of Thunder[/i]! [img]http://deskofbrian.com/wp-content/uploads/Rooker-as-Rowdy-Burns.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Il Duce' timestamp='1354220003' post='852526'] I agree but they are ranked 2 in the computers. Oh well [/quote] Computers haven't watched their anemic offense over the last four games (before FSU) - the human voters (2/3rds of the BCS formula) have. Not talking smack about ND - if we get past UGA (fingers crossed), I've learned my lesson about this ND team. RTR

http://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2010/title-39/chapter-11/part-6/39-11-611/

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1353973998' post='851030'] No one is asking you to risk anything, or saying that you should do anything. A Security Guard with the help of a couple of employees was doing his job. Since we don’t know what happened I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt to the Security Guard and the employees; not dirt bag thief. I know I’m really going out on a limb here, but I doubt those store employees jumped that guy and choked him out for no reason. Does Wal-Mart have a company policy that says the only shop lifters you can take into custody are those that come willingly?[/quote] You know, that's an excellent point - I had assumed (pesky word) that WM's policy was like most corporations - hands off under all circumstances. But after going back and reading through the (potentially dated) WM policies posted earlier, I'm not sure the guard did anything against WM policies. That's really the sticking point for me - if he abided by the rules of the property owner, then I don't have a problem with the result if they were simply subduing someone who had become violent after approach. I assumed (there's that word) that he had taken it upon himself to deal with this issue in a manner counter to WM's policy, and that assumption may well have been incorrect. So I'm doing something you rarely see on the internet and offering a mea culpa, at least until we know more.

[quote name='scoutfsu' timestamp='1353970435' post='850989'] I'm talking about people thinking it's ok to let a thief be a thief because it's not on their property or it's a corporations property. The corporation doesn't think its worth the risk because the legal system has been so corrupted that anyone and everyone can be sued over nothing. If they wouldn't face frivolous lawsuits, then maybe they would be a bit more stringent about keeping their rightful goods in their store and not watching them walkout. Stealing pennies? Those pennies add up and they are someone's pennies.[/quote] Fair enough - I actually brought that up - both avoiding lawsuits and the relative lack of value - both are obviously (some of) the reasons WM (in this case) doesn't pursue more aggressive policies. But the fact remains this guy knew his employer's policies, chose to ignore them and will likely pay the price with his job. And quite possibly a conviction, as well. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how principled one wishes to be. [quote]Rambo wannabe? Police reject private security? renta-a-cop? cop wannabe? Sounds like a lot of people here are carrying baggage. [/quote] LOL, no, in this case it's simply obvious this guy rejected EVERYTHING that he was instructed. Maybe you see him as a 'man if strict morals' (said with a very serious face), but the reality is he screwed up, too - got too caught up in the moment and possibly ended up killing a guy in the process. Maybe vigilante justice is your thing, I dunno. It's funny (and somewhat telling) how people are careful to 'wait for more details' before jumping all over the guard's case while seemingly rejoicing in the death of a man who never got to stand trial... [quote]You talk about risk/reward? Here's one for you - [b]if you risk breaking the law, you risk consequences[/b]. Also under the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" doctrine. This thief's death is [b]directly [/b]attributable to [b][i]his [/i][/b]decision to break the law. If he did not decide it was ok to steal merchandise, he would still be alive. He decided he was above the law and things spun up from there.[/quote] OK, so everything IS black-and-what to you - every crime punishable by death, since this person made the choice to (potentially) steal this stuff in the first place? It would be one thing of the guy kicked in your front door to steal stuff when you were at home, but this hothead who couldn't control himself also made a choice. Difference is his choice wasn't simple theft, it ended up in someone's death. [quote]Hoping that the thief's family sues Walmart for millions . I hope Walmart sues them for the thief's bad decision. He is the one that kicked this whole thing off. Everything that happened is a direct result of the decision he made.[/quote] Not me. [quote]People think it is ok to stand there and watch a criminal flaunt the law. Remember that when someone decides to come into your house or place of business and walk out with your stuff. [/quote] And you don't think this sounds like a wannabe cop? I don't WANT to be a cop, or I'd be one. If I see someone stealing a DVD player from WM, I'm going to be a good witness - maybe that's not 'principled' enough for you (again, said with very serious face), but my job isn't law enforcement. If someone were being hurt, that's a different story, but that's not the case here. And coming into my home or place of business? Again, different story. But I wouldn't expect a random passing WM employee to attack a guy for walking off with my wheelbarrow, either. Look, I find crime (including theft) as distasteful as anyone else here - I guarantee that. But I'm not going to risk my life, or someone else's, over some stupid possession. You want to? Be my guest, but to act as if you're on some sort of moral high ground because you support a guy who chose to attack someone he was told not to, likely resulting in that guy's death, is a bit silly.

[quote name='scoutfsu' timestamp='1353967504' post='850969'] Some embarrassing commentary in here and revealing of people's morals and ethics. And people wonder why criminals think they can do what ever they want with little to no repercussions. [/quote] As I've been one of the most vocal here against the rent-a-cop's over reaction, let me ask - exactly what did anyone say here that creates an 'embarrassing commentary' that reveals peoples' (implied lack of) morals and ethics? Specifics, please - not 'if I have to explain it' dodges that are so common... If you assume those of us who do not applaud the rambo-wannabe for violating explicitly defined employer policies that resulted resulted in a man's death - sans trial - I'd suggest this thread may well be more of a mirror than a spotlight. The floor is yours.

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1353967588' post='850970'] I'm not grief stricken either [/quote] Nope, nor am I.

[quote name='AK Guy' timestamp='1353962499' post='850929'] Property owner doesn't want to get dragged through the legal system over some "petty thief". It cost them more to do that than the merchandise. I guarantee if it wasn't cost prohibitive to prosecute "petty" crime, they would be all over them. Interesting how the system is set up to protects the thief more than the law abiding victim. Seems I've heard that sentiment before. [/quote] The only way they get 'dragged through the legal system' is if the guy sues for behavior like this. You think Walmart really cares about a couple of $100 DVD players walking out of their store? It's the equivalent of someone stealing less than a penny from you - how hard are you going after that guy? Risk / reward...

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1353954639' post='850858'] We are a weak people when we have to stand by and watch thieves walk away. [/quote] LOL, the property owner doesn't think it's worth the risk over petty theft, why should you?

[quote name='ArmyVeteran37214' timestamp='1353939162' post='850750'] Most likely the Wally World Associates will be terminated once the internal investigation is completed. [url="http://media.bonnint.net/slc/2489/248982/24898223.pdf"]http://media.bonnint...82/24898223.pdf[/url] [/quote] Yup, as they should be. Direct violation of company policy which resulted in a death.

[quote name='Mike.357' timestamp='1353824387' post='850363'] ahem someone went undefeated during the regular season, someone else lost to a two loss team. [/quote] I deserve it, keep it coming!

[quote name='ShamGlock' timestamp='1353821789' post='850349'] Hilarious that when this thread started it was all about the Irish no longer being relevant. [/quote] Yup, the Domers decidedly proved me wrong this season, didn't they! hahaha Great season for you guys, hope we get to play you for the whole thing. RTR

That sucks. It's why I don't visit public ranges anymore.

Roll Tide.

If Bama wins out, and USC beats ND... Another SEC vs SEC BCSCG? Hahahaha

Roll Tide! Let's win out and play ND for it all.

What a dick.

If you're really concerned with protecting your hearing, you'll need to run some tests, or at the very least look at the manufacturer's numbers. Keep in mind anything about 120dBSPL can (generally will) cause instantaneous damage to your hearing - this doesn't mean immediate noticeable loss of hearing, but hearing loss is cumulative, so at the very LEAST I recommend keeping the exposure to instantaneous sounds to <100dBSPL. I don't think I've ever seen a suppressor capable of more than about 30-35dB NR, which means you would realistically need ~20dB of extra protection with a typical firearm (most of which generate somewhere in the neighborhood of 150dBSPL). For example, when I'm shooting (I don't have any suppressors), I wear 33dB NR plugs with some 25dB over-the-ear muffs. This combination yields enough protection that I can shoot everything I own for hours with no damage. I'd LOVE to shoot with nothing on my head, but it's just not practical for someone who wishes to protect their hearing. May not seem like a big deal now, but in 20 years when you have tinnitus and struggle to keep up with conversations, you'll wish you were aggressive in protecting your ears...

[quote name='The Dude' timestamp='1352845656' post='845047'] How much more crappy legislation do you want? [/quote]None, but if you're going to claim this isn't a knee-jerk reaction to losing last week, you're going to have to come up with something. If it's not election butt-hurt and it's not legislation, then what is it? ETA: Y'all have fun with it, but unless / until you're willing to admit this is just a reaction to losing the election, most folks are just going to ignore it. If you really want change, you're going to have to be able to present something other than 'sore loser' as your reasoning. I'm out.

[quote name='The Dude' timestamp='1352844849' post='845043'] Seems to me that most of the people against this are the first ones to say they love freedom, but look down upon, and critcize those actually making an attempt to get the focus of the government back where it needs to be. The interests of the poeple. Its not about being a sore loser in the elections like some people claim. If thats the case, then why isnt the petition for an election re-count skyrocketing with signers? Its about being dragged along into a sea of debt, having liberties stripped and destroying our rights that so many have fought and died for, again and again. For those of you who think voting will make it better, tell that to the several million voters who's vote didnt count once Obama had already won with several states left to get counted. It happens every election time and time again. The 2 party system is a joke at best, and niether ever give a damn about you or me, and they never will. Is it that hard to see that our current system is way out of control? [/quote] Yah, none of us who think this pointless / useless petition is a silly exercise are for any sort of reform, we're all just Obama-loving tax and spend communists. </sarcasm> Maybe some people see this for what it is - a waste of energy. Nothing, zero, nada is going to come from this and the timing of this - directly after the election with no legislation happening which would cause the uproar - makes it look like a bunch of butt-hurt repubs who can't get over the fact they lost. Believe it or not, there are actually effective ways of communicating with government officials beyond preposterous requests that will yield something other than an eye roll.

Where were all you guys who are so pissed about losing your rights when the Patriot Act was enacted (or the three further authorizations)? I'm no Obama-apologist, but it strikes me as odd that none of this 'liberty or death' talk was heard when Bush was in office.