leroy

Dear fellow TGO'ers:__________________ I need to round up another red dot type sight for our bushmaster. Have been looking at the Aimpoint M series red dots (....we've got an EOTech, so i know about them...). In a nutshell; what is the difference in the M2 vs M4 series red dots (...we dont need the NV settings...) other than price? I like the Aimpoint because of the great battery life and the fact it has a single red dot. I would appreciate your collective opinions on them. Thanks in advance. leroy

ET:____________ RE: This: Really? I do not think that you or anyone else here is qualified to make this call. You may not like my analysis and thinking, but you cant be intellectually honest and open minded and make the judgement that im "making facts fit my opinion." That calls into question my innermost thinking and my motives. My opinion is, in fact, my opinion; just like your "opinion" is yours. No one here has called into question the "motives" of those arguing these points until now. You need to think about that a bit. Opinion is just that: ..."opinion"... . Everybody has got 'em and many times they differ; just like now. Opinion is based on both facts and perceptions. Perceptions are the perview of those that have them. You see this as business as usual. I see it as a bad call which will shortly be abused. The fact is that it's hard to defend your opinion. That's why we seem to be movin to the next phase. That phase seems to be calling into question the motives of those that disagree with you. That aint the way to win. More than that, i firmly believe that there are no "winners" with this one. Only those who agree or disagree. By the way: Dave:___________ Dont disagree with any of this: leroy

ET:___________ We can (...and are...) havin a big long winded discussion about all this. There are folks on both sides of it. We can agree to disagree. I can agree with lots of what you have to say in the above post; but it does not change my opinion on this one. This is simply a case of bad law and "the ends justifying the means" in my view. There is a county sheriff in Indiana who has advocated "random house to house searches" based on this ruling by the IN Supreme Court. There is a 13 page thread on this very subject on the IN Gun Owners Forum (...as of a few minutes ago...). As to "laxity in enforcement" ... These folks that are in jail for "drug related" crime are the little fish. We simply dont put the big ones in jail. This fact is obvious from casual inspection. The "drug problem" aint gettin smaller; someone must be continuing to furnish drugs for the addicts. I will grant that these "smaller fish" are doin the breakin and entering and are, to some extent, being caught. The fact is that we are witnessing a continuing breakdown of society and folks are scared. In that atmosphere, the law is viewed as largely ineffective. Law enforcement is loosing this battle. That is the reason for this very ruling. Those that believe that the end of society should be a docile society Kept safe and policed by law enforcement would do well to consider that the most efficient form of government (...read that control of the citizenry...) is a dictatorship. In that system the dictators make all the decisions and enforce the rules without question. Our system is considerably less efficient and a lot better for the individual citizen. No one here wants the "efficient solution". No one here is blaspheming responsible law enforcement. They (...and i...) are criticizing a decision that flies in the face of a free people, all done in the name of "enforcement of law". This is a bad idea. I intentionally added the citations of the home invasions because no knock LEO searches can be mistaken for them. I'm sure you can appreciate that. leroy

Dave:_____________ When this kind of thing is goin on per your example here: If i see it or it comes to my ears, i wont need the law. I'll take care of it myself. I simply will not need the assistance of the "law" (....and neither should you....). You may believe that the "law" is the great protector of all that is good and holy in society. I (...and many others here...) simply dont believe that; and neither should you. The LEO establishment, the justice enterprise, and all it's apparagics regularly make mistakes. Simple observation of their operation will tell you that. In my mind, it is far better to veer on the side of right doing than it is to allow agents of government act with impunity and immunity. Take the time to read this:http://www.mikechurch.com/Today-s-Lead-Story/in-sheriff-if-we-need-to-conduct-random-house-to-house-searches-we-will.html. Mark cited it in an earlier post. It advocates random house to house searches. Remember this, kickin in doors and shooting is a two way street. This business about immunity and saying "it was a tragic mistake" means nothing to those who get killed or maimed. No amount of "legal recourse" and trial baloney can can erase this truth. The fact is that when someone is layin dead or maimed for life, that is a tragic, irreversible (...and quite possibly wrong...) decision that someone made. It applies equally to both LEO and the citizen. In either case, it will not (...and cannot...) lessen the devastation brought on surviving (...or maimed...) members of either side of this tragic mistake. We as a society have decided to confer upon the LEO cadre the authority to take the lives of citizens based on split second decisions and 'hunches". That is, indeed, a most serious responsibility. As such, it should be very carefully applied and protected. This ruling flies in the face of this responsibility in my opinion. You may be part of the group that worships the law and think that whatever the "law" does is ok. That is simply not so, and no amount of "whitewashing", apologetics, and examples can erase that. My opinion does, indeed, diverge from yours and that's ok with me. We can disagree. Having said all that; dont presume to lecture me or anyone eles here because i dont see it your way. The way i see things, ya aint equipped too well with evidence to substantiate your position. You can cheer (...and/or argue...) for one side or the other; but dont presume to blaspheme and berate those who dont agree. If this was clear cut; it would have never made it to the courts and there wouldnt be a discussion about the Fourth Amendment. This aint about "domestic abuse"; it's about kickin a door in where you "think a drug crime is in progress". Read the opinion and the related info. Police (...and citizens as well...) have long had all the tools they need to handle crimes they "see in progress". This one is about "thinking one is in progress". Hows that? leroy

I think this is a bit over the top: Most folks simply want to be left alone and secure in their own homes. I keep hearing about this "war on drugs" and handling of thugs. There aint much of that goin on in my estimation. If LEO gets lucky enough (...or, in most cases, is allowed....) to find some of these chumps; the legal system simply lets them go. In my mind, at least, the idea of "agressive enforcement" of laws is laughable. I and many others are, indeed, alarmed at the idea that the police or anyone else for that matter could kick your door in without announcing themselves all in the name of "suspicion of wrongdoing". ET: I noticed that you live in north knox county (...powell...). In the last couple of years there have been two or three home invasions that resulted in death either to the perpetrators of the invasion or the homeowner. There is a case on trial right now in the knox county court RE: a home invasion in south knoxville that left three people dead. Two innocents in the house; and one thug. This crime was perpetrated on a retired LEO officer, who the perpetrators knew, and were willing to try to kill in order to take his perscription medication. The fact is that folks are edgy. They do not feel safe in their own homes and are wary of those knocking on their doors; let alone those who would put their foot to the door and kick their way in; no matter who they purport to be --- thug or LEO. There are lots of folks (...including me...) who cant tell the difference when the door cracks in; and that is the exact crux of the problem. To be looked upon as "protectors of the community" and legitimate representatives of government, it is my view (...and i believe the view of many others...) that LEO should be held to a high standard of conduct. Once you kick in the wrong door and shoot the wrong family member, it simply aint enough to say "sorry, we made a mistake", and go on about your business. To say that these "wrong entries" dont happen is to ignore reality. I do not believe that the LEO enterprise is in any way anything other than a microcosm of anything other than the whole of society. That says to me that they are just as prone to do the wrong or mistaken thing as anyone else. This aint LEO bashing; its a simple observation of the reality of things. The fact is that this ruling is dangerous to both citizens and LEO. The point of this whole little essay is to say in the kindest possible terms that not all judicial rulings are beneficial or necessarily correct. I'll close with this observation:.... In our system (...for the time being, at least...) the government derives its power from the consent of the governed (...as some smart guy said years ago...). When government infringes on that consent (...which i think this does...), there is an inevitable pushback. The wise among the "governors" understand that well and are faithful stewards of the power handed to them by the "consent of the governed". This ruling stretches the forbearance of the governed and means nothing to the thug element in our society. All in all, this is a bad ruling and should be quietly set aside. There are simply places where application of this ruling is a dangerous thing. This ruling presupposes a docile and unarmed populace. There are places where this is simply not so. Many of them are in Tennessee (...and i would assume, in other locations as well...). Food for thought. leroy

BerettaBri:_________________ Welcome!! RE: This Drive up to the center of norris and check in at the norris police department. They can guide ya up to the range. They are good guys. leroy

Caster:_______________ Check this out: Houston shootout sequence unclear » Knoxville News Sentinel. These guys were tried twice. Mistrial (...i think first...). Acquittal on second. leroy

This is the ultimate reliability champ. Glock and XD are about as reliable as a semiauto pistol ever gets. The revolver will never fail; it just has limited firepower (...if you are into that sort of thing...). Remember most gunfights are 2 or 3 rounds. A revolver holds 5 or more rounds. food for thought. leroy

Wait till some hard cases (...think Rocky and Leon Houston here...) get their doors kicked in and think it's a home invasion. There are simply some places in which folks can do this stupid stuff (...read that inner city, crackhouses, dopeheads, etc....) and some places where ya cant. This is a dangerous rule. It presupposes that there will be no shooting back if a door is kicked in unannounced (...if im understanding this right...). There are some folks layin in the ground who have tried this before. It may work out in some inner city places and ghettos. It could be dangerous other places. Food for thought. leroy

Lester:_______________ I like the post above. Especially this: Polititians of every stripe the world over would do well to memorize this little quip from probably the greatest of Jewish Military Men (...and there have been some great ones...). I am a great admirer and supporter of the "pesky jews". I say let the usa and others (...who are wise enough...) hold the zionist cloak while they whip the rest of the world. If anyone gets a good grip on them, we need to kick 'em off and the rearm the jews. God bless 'em (...He is anyway...). Keep up the good work. zionist leroy

Mav:_____________ Your assessment RE: nobama is exactly on target. Having said that, here is a bit of background and assessment RE: Carter and the pesky jews: Right now its a dead heat i would say RE: stupidity in foreign relations. While Carter was a buffon, he was likeable (...to some extent....). Nobama is a buffon and is unlikeable to boot. I think that american jewry should rethink their politics. Nobama (...and many other traditional black polititians and political operatives....) is rabidly anti-israel. I'm not sure why --- maybee minority status envy---... Strangely enough, there is also within the demorat party a contingent of "self loathing" jews who dont like israel either. Danged if i know why; its the ultimate "lemmings jumping into the sea" thing in my view -- probably the same trash that liked the communists in russia and made the germans mad. I think it's laughable that the great Nobama would simply "demand" that the pesky jews draw back to the pre 67 war borders. Remember this: the pesky jews dont really need our help (...in my view, at least...), we need their help. We are foolish, arrogant, and (...i think...) providentially blinded to believe that the pesky jews cant take care of themselves. Remember; they have a couple of things we do not have going for them. Number one, they have the God of the Bible on their side (...really.... they do.... remember there are 60 million arabs in the middle east that hate the pesky jews and have sworn to destroy them (...starting over 60 years ago...), and only about 7 million pesky jews. The jews are still winnin every round of the bout. While the arabs talk tough; they simply cant win. Nothing but providential intervention explains this phenemenon; to me, at least...). Number two, they have a pretty united backbone right now (...for the first time in a long time...). There is no real sympathy of the alleged "plight" of the palestinians" in israel now, and thats been a long time comming. I predict that we will wake up one morning and that the pesky jews will have saved the middle east again (...for the third or fourth time...) by slapping Iran back into the stone age (...around their nuclear facilities, at least...) and slapping anyone else who would overtly use weapons against them--- all without asking anyone's "permission".. They do this ever so often (...think the syrian and iraqui nuclear programs, strikes against olympic games murders, etc, the occasional assination of nuclear scientists and researchers here the other day...). The world becomes indignant and criticizes the pesky jews for a while for having saved the middle east yet again. The United Nations anti-semites will take turns villifying the jews for a while. After they run out of breath, everyone will again breath a collective sigh of relief that the pesky jews have saved the world for another few years. In my view, it is the ultimate arrogance for a chump like nobama and a bunch of overbearing polititians and bureaucrat operatives like the clintons to "demand" that the pesky jews do anything. I say...."keep talkin". Show everyone in the world and in the good ole usa just how stupid you are. Remember, there aint no "israeli terrorists" hollering "ahla akbar" and shootin up americans or blowin up their brothers; and most people are beginning to understand that. For more interesting reading check this link out: http://www.jihadwatch.org/ (...May 20 entry...). I say "God bless the pesky jews"!!!!.. semi kosher proselyte leroy a zionist cheerleader!!!

Its a sad day. Randy Savage was a great entertainer!!! leroy

Fly fishin is a great thing. The greatest form of fishing. Used to try to fish a bit; too gimped up now. It's a great sport!! leroy

I like it!! Herman Cain is a man full of wisdom and truth. More than that, he is a great orator. Keep up the good work!! leroy

I agree. This kind of stuff started the American Revolution. Keep up the good work. leroy

I like these: Gator Backs. . How about this one? Keep up the good work! leroy

Im like you. I can stand Corker a bit better. Alaxander is rotten to the core; typical polititian. Tennessee republicans missed a great chance to send a real republican to the senate when they rejected Ed Bryant. We're paying the price for that mistake now. leroy

Thems the pockets i need!! Thanks for the info! leroy

556:___________ Thanks for the report. I like the smith PD type 1911's myself. Would like to have a full size (...5 inch...). The light frame makes 'em a great carry gun. I think that most any manufacturer's gun today will outshoot 95% of the shooters holding it. Have fun shooting and many thanks! leroy

Greg:______________ I'd hold out for the new Kahr (....that's what i intend to do....). Let the "new wear off the kahr" and the "bugs worked out of the ruger"; then round one (...or both of 'em up...). Like the kids used to say: "....collect 'em all!!!....). Keep up the good work! leroy

Noticed the thread picked up again. Have been loading 3.9 grains of 231 (...look in the latest Speer Reloading manual...) with both jacketed (....hornady 90 grain jhp and speer 95 grain solid...) and hard cast round nose bullets (....missouri bullet...). They shoot just fine in my sig 238. I was pleasantly suprized at how the lead round nose bullets fed. None of these loads gave any trouble. Hope this helps. leroy

Aint it the truth brother!! Keep up the good work. leroy

Slim:______________ Close 'em by hand, hot glue 'em in, and clamp till they are set. I wouldn't worry about resizing 'em either. Ya might want to try some of the magtech brass 410 by 2 1/2 inch shells. They prime with a large pistol primer; the "real" 410s use a 209 primer (...i think...). We used some of the 12 ga magtechs in my son's side hammer remington with black powder. We just glued the overshot wad in with elmers glue or hot glue. Hope this helps. leroy

Let's start this off with two of my favorites. The first is 6.5 grains of unique and the hornady 230 grain flatnose. Seat 'em as long as ya can (...to max oal...). Use anyones standard primers. Second one is 5.2 grains of titegroup with anybodys 230 grain bullet. Seat em as long as ya can. Use anybodies standard primers. Both these loads will shoot better than most folks can hold. Hope this helps. leroy

I like 'em!!! Great creatures and great pictures. I dont think these guys are albinos; they are "white supremist" squirrels!!! Keep up the good work! leroy