TGO David

I'm going to leave the thread visible as a compromise because I think the idea is very cool, but I'm also locking it because it's advertising a commercial enterprise without being a vendor. Trainers who want to reach out to you will now know how to do so.

Item has been sold!

Summary Upgrade to May 2025 forum software release. Explanation Invision Community 4.7.21 Released 05/27/2025 Key Changes This is our May maintenance release. 4.7.21 - Release Notes The Road to Version 5 I am still waiting on updates to a few of the add-ons that we use on TGO so that we can begin moving to the new Version 5 release of our forum software. Most important of these is the Trader Feedback system used by our members to provide eBay style feedback on their buying/selling experiences with one another. As soon as that software is ready for v5, I will begin working on the upgrade.

Running the Dead Air Xeno Brake as the muzzle device. The suppressor came with the Xeno flash hider but I prefer the brake, so here we are.

SilencerShop.com and pick out whatever suppressor you want. Add $200 to it for the cost of the tax stamp and $25 for their Single Shot Trust.

Update: Form 4 submitted to the ATF on Wednesday 5/21/25. Form 4 approved and tax stamp received on Wednesday 5/28/25. Consider also that we had the Memorial Day holiday in between, so we're really only talking about a 5-day turnaround for a purchase on an NFA trust. I really hope that these fall off of the NFA so that they become same-day purchases, but this was a blazingly fast turnaround and I have no complaints other than that they shouldn't be regulated like this. Anyway... nice job, ATF.

They were just in stock with most of these folks through the big distributors, after being out of stock for a while. I guess everyone who wanted one jumped on them.

Oh, I am not arguing against the fact that there are a lot of other reasons to dislike Sig Sauer. My personal beef with them is that they will release a new handgun that makes you think, "Oh I should buy this!" only to release an evolved version of that same gun a year later that makes you think "I should have waited for this one instead."

.22 Long Rifle and 5.56 make the same size hole as one another also.

I don't want to compromise on any of it, but if we got instant background checks like we do with firearms, and no-cost or low-cost tax stamps, it would be a step in the right direction. I'd have a ####load more suppressors if I could buy one and go home with it the same day.

By the way, there are substantial differences between a full-house .38 Special cartridge and a .380ACP cartridge in terms of ballistic performance. The .38 Special killed a lot of people over the years that it was the cartridge of choice for law enforcement. It wasn't unusual for people to shoot "down loaded" (minor power) .38 Special rounds and cops back in the day weren't always using hollow points. Many used dum-dum rounds like you'd use for pistol competitions, or soft lead point rounds. I know because my grandfather was a cop in the 1960's and 70's and I inherited a lot of his stuff, including a mountain of ammo and there wasn't a single hollow point in any of it. You also lose muzzle velocity with a snubnose barrel. The guy in your question was lucky, but ammo choice could have carried a big role in how ineffective those five shots were.

This is one of those questions that has to be answered with data, otherwise it will be a bunch of nonsensical statements like "I wouldn't want to get shot with either of them!". And let's face it, no one wants to be shot with any sort of gun so we can just get that out of the way now. Bottom line up front, all other things being equal a 9x19mm cartridge will have higher muzzle velocity, better penetration, better expansion, and be able to better overcome barriers such as clothing, wallboard, vehicle sheet metal or glass. There are too many small and reliable 9mm micro-compact handguns today for me to give a second thought to carrying a .380 ACP. The days of having to choose small cartridges to get small guns are past us. Here's a ballistic test video that I don't hate or completely disagree with:

There's no requirement to show evidence that you engraved the item. You just get railroaded for it if the ATF ever finds out and prosecutes you. Kind of like how the IRS does that if your math doesn't match their math when you pay taxes. To note, you can engrave something for NFA purposes and then never actually use it for NFA purposes and there is no harm, no foul. It doesn't become an NFA item until it is configured as one and then it has to be registered, engraved, blah blah blah. If we don't get rid of the NFA during this Trump Administration, we as gun owners will be proven to be morons.

I wonder as well, but there is a contingent of people on social media who believe that Sig has obtained all of these supposed faulty guns as part of their out of court settlements and then buried them deep within the same warehouse that the Ark of the Covenant was wheeled into at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. I always doubt those conspiracy theories because people don't keep secrets well enough to make them viable, but... if big dollar corporate lawyers are involved, maybe?

We have the technology to test things to failure. You can use robots, fixtures, and other automation to simulate a wide variety of conditions in a repeatable fashion for thousands of repetitions all under the watchful eye of cameras. Sooner or later, someone has to offer up one of these "faulty" P320s and subject it to the full battery of the scientific method. Once that happens, we'll have the answers we all seek. Until then, we've got nothing more than armchair engineers throwing shade at the P320 and 99% of them are doing it because controversy translates to monetization on social media.