deerslayer

Wow! $200 extra? That is a deal.

Old wise men often lectures us youngsters: "You only get what you pay for." I submit that they don't know it all: If you're lucky, you get what you pay for. In my book, spending that kind of $$ on a Wilson is a risk, but I've had a bad run of luck with 1911s.

All right, maybe I missed something here; I thought you were all excited about the CDP--what changed your mind?

Sarah, here is a great gun for a new shooter; my wife started with this gun. It's a Smith & Wesson Model 60 revolver with a 3" barrel. Unlike some of the small-frame Smith & Wesson revolvers, it has a steel frame, which means the guns is a little heavier and will therefore recoil (or "kick") a little less. It's a .357 Magnum, but will also shoot .38 Special ammo. In fact, I would only use .38 Special ammo in a gun like this if I were you. It's very simple and user-friendly, but don't get the wrong idea; this is a potent weapon. My wife became extremely accurate with it in a short period of time. If you were closer, she'd let you try it out. Here's a link for it on the S&W website: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14755&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y Edit: Ignore the suggested retail price; it will cost substantially less.

Agreed.

molon, han solo, I have a P3AT (hard chrome/green frame) that I am debating selling. My gotta have it gun (sooner or later): http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=24&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

Agreed on all counts (even the "not every Glock will" part). I shot at 50 yards (offhand) about a month ago--we were shooting at IDPA offical targets (for the hell of it), and while I did hit the target, you would need a yard stick to measure the "group." Years ago, I shot my Colt 1911 at 110 yards, and it was a blast (although not a very precise one). I also don't see much of a need to practice regularly at 50 yards, unless you are a Delta operator or a SWAT team member, and they would probably not take many shots at 50 yards with a handgun.

Hmmm...my Glock 19 can shoot one hole groups at 7 yards; not every 1911 will. Perhaps they should stand a little closer. Whatever the case, I have never seen 1911 guys shooting "on the rifle lanes." I certainly never did when I was a 1911 guy.

They are a bit monotonous...load them, shoot them, load them, shoot them, load them, shoot them, never any excitement--no FTEs, FTFs, etc.

I see that Kimber QC continues to be an issue.

I was just kidding.

It probably did not have a fully supported chamber.

I'm no 1911 fanatic, BUT a friend has the Rock Island and loves it, says it's a tackdriver, reliable, etc., especially for under $400. The only problem I see with it (and perhaps other lower end 1911s) is a lack of sight upgrade options. His RA came with itty bitty sights, and upgrading the front looks to be impossible.

LOL it happens

This is for your wife

So how does one post pics on this forum?

Putting a Kimber CDP next to a Glock and asking a woman which she prefers is almost not a fair fight--"hey honey, you want the blinged-out two-tone Kimber with the Spanish walnut grips, or do you want the primer black box-gun with the service rifle trigger?" BTW, I had a 5" Colt 1911 that sucked too, but that is another story.

Tungsten-my Kimber was made about two years ago--it was not one of the new-company-growing-pain models. The majority of Kimbers I see (at IDPA matches) have some sort of issue--I'm not basing any of what I say about them on what I've read on a forum. Hell, I wish mine had come with the external extractor--it couldn't have been any worse. Verbal-Congrats on your gun's reliability. Like I said, a good running 1911 is a sweet shooter. I just don't see them (reliable 1911s) as often as other makes. BTW, my wife begged me not to get rid of mine--she liked it much more than a Glock. No shock that your wife didn't like it; most people either love or hate Glocks, and they usually form their opinions quickly. She just liked shooting it better (one hole groups at 7 yards tend to make the range a bit more enjoyable). She didn't give a rodent's rump if it jammed; me on the other had, well, I don't need it if I can't carry it.

Nope, mine was an internal extractor. I never could get the thing to feed--it would hang up in every imaginable way in a maddeningly random fashion, with no rhyme or reason. It would produce different kinds of malfunctions with the same kind of ammo, when you switched ammo, and everything in between. A guy once asked me, "what kind of hollow points are you using in it?" I never got that far--all I ever put in it was FMJs. After a few thousand rounds, I gave up. Somebody good with tuning 1911s probably could have straightened it out, but I didn't want a gun that had to be "tuned" all the time. Kimber quality left a bad taste in my mouth also; mags would not fall free, and the ONE mag that it came with had a follower that I learned chews up an alloy frame just below the feed ramp, which it proceeded to do. I also wasn't crazy about the fact that I was supposed to change the recoil spring every 1500 rounds, or that I had to have a paper clip to field strip the gun. Overall, it was a very disappointing experience for almost $1000--I never would have dared to depend on that gun for self-defense. The gun was accurate as hell, although it shot a bit low. It's not just my Kimber, though. I shoot a lot of IDPA, and 1911s are the ones that are always missing a beat. Just last week, a guy brings an almost-new Kimber (TLE, I think) and the thing starts going full auto. I've seen this several times on old guns, but not a new one! That same night, another guy kept getting FTEs with his $2000 Wilson. This morning, a guy was having all kinds of trouble with his S&W 1911. A friend told me, "if you get a 1911 running good, you'll never go back to that Glock." Well, the "getting one running good" part is too much trouble for me. I'm really not a 1911 basher; I know they are sweet guns when they are tuned just right, but I'll stick to my Glock when protecting my life will be involved--I know it's going to work.

Good luck with it--if it is anything like the one I had, you'll need it. Of all the handguns I've owned, my Kimber CDP was the biggest disappointment of all.

Most useless gun? How about the one that sits in your safe instead of your holster?

Never shot plaster but I have cut holes in it w/ a reciprocating saw--the stuff just eats blades. Plaster would definitely stop a bullet more quickly than sheet rock.

Definitely no claims of perfection here, but the Glock suits my needs better than anything else currently made.

No. If you shoot relatively name brand ammo, you will be fine. Just about every brand of handgun specifically says not to use reloaded ammo. There is generally less room for error in .40 reloading (not that there should be any errors) , but the Glock Kb legend is a bit overhyped. Yes, I shoot a Glock

Hey MM, you no-shoot murderer, let her shoot your 2lb. trigger IDPA cheater pistol. See ya tomorrow.