deerslayer

I have never needed to replace or repair any parts on a Glock, but I think it's prudent to not only know how to repair one, but also have a few extra parts lying around so one can avoid the month-long wait after sending a gun off for a repair, if the shipping companies don't lose it. It's also an added benefit to be able to quickly switch out trigger springs and connectors and create a Glock that's a target gun with a three or four pound trigger, or something more idiot-proof with an 8 or 12 pound trigger. I don't think picking up an $89 Lone Wolf barrel that will conveniently and safely convert a Glock from .40 to 9mm should be considered "ghettoizing" your pistol, (whatever that means) but, opinions obviously vary.

Aaahh...I found them.

OFF TOPIC So where does one get the TGO hat?

LOL. You didn't happen to shoot or SO in Manchester this past October, did you?

mags: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/gl21413manew.html http://www.ombexpress.com/product.asp?sku=GA078 http://glockparts.com/?mainURL=/store/category/62my/Magazines.html extractors: http://www.ombexpress.com/search.asp?q=extractor http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=137 barrels: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=4 http://glockmeister.com/index.php?cPath=1 BTW, I think that all Glock mags will soon be SF-style. I just ordered a bunch of Glock 19 mags, and they are now SF-style, even though there is not yet a G19SF.

What types of parts are you looking for? Mags are easily available for both, I would imagine; Glocks can be found for $15, XD mags I'm not sure. Glock OEM parts and aftermarket Glock parts are pretty inexpensive and WIDELY available; XD OEM parts are not as easy to find; from what I've heard, Springfield doesn't want everyone to be their own gunsmith.

But this amounts to a different CoF; all sanctioned matches have one CoF and everybody shoots it the same way. They are classified differently and compete against similarly skilled shooters w/ similar weapons, but the match is EXACTLY the same for everybody. I'm not arguing w/ ya; I'm not crazy about 1-1-2-1-1 myself. I'm just trying to explain what I bet HQ's rationale probably was when they decided against this. BTW, where do you shoot/SO?

There are sometimes awards for High LEO/Military, but the CoF is the same for everybody.

The overall time was faster for sure, but did the second target get a bullet in less time doing 2-2?

Good luck with that--optional for some shooters, not optional for others. LEO and Military gets an advantage--don't think that will fly. You'd have better luck convincing the guy who set up the stage to allow you to shoot them on the move, instead of requiring tac sequence. I'm not crazy about limited stages either, but they do serve a purpose. IDPA is a game, and limited stages are an excellent test of basic skills. If you can't slow down a little and avoid time-consuming extra shots, you need to practice a little patience (this is especially true for me). Just be glad that IDPA is dominated by scenario-based stages instead of standards-type stages.

No BS call here--I've never heard of the SEALS being issued Glocks, although I bet some Special Ops types carry whatever they want. SIGs are fine pistols; I used to own three, but decided I wanted a gun w/ one trigger pull instead of two. If I had the time and resources to train as hard as the SEALs, I may still have SIGs. They are definitely shooters. Their DAK trigger is interesting, though.

what shop?

BTW, my favorite CCW is a Glock 27 w/ a Pierce +1 grip extension. I feel that with the stock mag, it's no more than a pocket pistol.

I was a SIG man until my dad was shot and crippled in an attempted robbery (he was the victim, not the perp). I decided to re-evaluate my defensive pistol philosophy, and started looking for a gun w/ one trigger pull. Cost was not an issue, but I didn't want to waste money. At the time, this pretty much narrowed it down to Glock, 1911, or XD. Hated the XD, gave up on trying to make smaller 1911s run, and reluctantly turned to a Glock. Needless to say, I was soon suprised. Features I like: -no safety to worry about when in a hurry -suprisingly accurate -tough as nails -lightweight/easy to carry all day -refuses to malfunction -a monkey can detail strip it w/ only a pin punch -dirt-dumb simple construction -incredible array of inexpensive aftermarket options -$15 mags Areas Glock needs to improve: -these sights are a joke -trim the rear of the trigger guard (tough on the middle finger) -optional backstraps would be nice (a la M&P) The stock 5.5 lb. service rifle-type trigger is the perfect combination for me--light and short enough to be accurate, just long and stiff enough to be prevent an ND. The reset is great (although not as good as a 1911). With five minutes, a pin punch, and a couple inexpensive parts, you can make it a 2 lb. trigger target pistol or a 12 lb. trigger dummy-proof service piece. It's also more southpaw friendly than many other designs (a concern of mine). Overall, it's not the sexiest,blinged-out supermodel, but it's the best gun I've ever tried, and I've shot almost all of them. That said, if the M&P had been out earlier, who knows? I still want to shoot one, but don't see switching this late in the game.

Ok, ya got me--what I should have said was a lot of great shooters START w/ a $500 gun, and end up w/ something more expensive when they finish modifying it (even I change out the craptastic Glock sights). You would be suprised how many (in IDPA, at least) pretty much leave their guns alone, though. I was thinking along the lines of a Glock or a Smith or something similar being "low end," with the high end being a Wilson or a Nighthawk, instead of a stock Glock being "low end," and a modified Glock being "high end." However, you're not totally correct; in IDPA's SSP class, many of the features you describe are not allowed, and $500-600 guns are the rule and not the exception, but some incredibly talented shooters prefer this class. Even in USPSA production class, the custom options are limited, and some world-class shooters participate in this category. I know where you're coming from, though; we have some gunslingers who started out with a Beretta or a Glock, and now shoot tricked-out Kimbers and STIs. I just feel that the percentage of guys like that is lower than you do. I can't afford a Nighthawk, so I'm stuck w/ these plastic guns for a while.

This is the most rational post yet, except for the part about better shooters generally seeking more expensive guns. I totally disagree--in my typical shooting enviroment (an IDPA match, more often than not), we have a lot of outstanding, badass shooters who shoot $500 guns (and not just Glocks).

I'm not sure what your background is or what these activities you and your men do, but, with all due respect, whatever works for you and your guys may not be the right thing for everyone else. If you are some Special Ops type, surely you know that several Special Ops Units as well as several SWAT units prefer 1911s--which, by the way, have lighter and shorter trigger pulls than a Glock. They do have grip safeties and manual safeties, but, when handled in the manner that you describe, all these safeties will be disengaged. But I digress. It's interesting that you claim not to bash something if you give a reason for the criticism, because I repeatedly asked you and TNDave what characteristic of the Glock made it so deadly, and all I got was "Glocks are dangerous," or "other designs are safer." Never any answers w/ substance. I asked TNDave a sincere question about the differences between the Glock and the M&P, since he supposedly has experience w/ both, but all I got was, "I don't have to worry about an ND w/ the M&P." When I asked you what guns were safer, you gave a poetry recital. You expressed a hint of rationality when you FINALLY mentioned that the M9 has a heavier, longer trigger pull. You confuse the situation even more when you claim that the Glock is a fine gun for the law enforcement officer, but a lousy choice for CCW. I'm not here to pick a fight or enter into the so-called "pissing contest;" I'm not "trolling" (whatever that means), I'm just curious about what Glock feature it is that critics find different about it, and seek a little clarification. Until the last few posts, I've had a hard time getting any type of explanantion. I don't claim to be a know-it-all, but I do know the Glock, and, so far, nobody here has explained how it is any more unsafe than a 1911, XD, M&P, Sigma, Taurus, High Power, Kahr, some SIGS, or any true double action that has been fired once and is thus a single action for subsequent shots. Anybody want to step up to the plate?

Why are you afraid to answer my simple question?

Because I fail to see how they are not as safe. What is the difference? That's comical. Just out of curiosity, what kind of loaded handgun do you feel comfortable being swept with?

And if a guy has an AD w/ his M&P, what will that make him?

Wow, that was an informative answer.

It is not safe to wave around ANY gun with your finger on the trigger and expect nothing to happen. Obviously, you have to put your finger on the trigger sooner or later if you plan to shoot something, but when drawing from a holster or while walking around is not the time to do it. A grip safety doesn't help here--if you have a firing grip on the gun (which most will upon completing the first step of a draw) the safety in disengaged. As for the guy who shot himself in the leg, Glocks don't discharge "due to being bumped." He pulled the trigger.

And that is what I'm talking about--if you have your finger on the trigger in a deadly force situation, how is the Glock any more dangerous? Is it because it doesn't have a 12 pound trigger, like many traditional double actions? And does a 5.5 Glock trigger result in "Glock leg?" If so, why did the guy with "Glock leg" have the Glock pointed at his leg when he pulled the trigger? Would this injury have been prevented if he had used a 1911 or a SIG or an XD? I'm not trying to be smart here, just trying to understand the difference that makes a Glock supposedly so dangerous. Also, (off topic a little) how does the M&P trigger compare to a Glock's? (regarding safety AND shootability)