Fallguy

The belt buckle gun and the wallet holster are two different things. The belt buckle gun is legal and not considered a AOW because it does have to be removed from the buckle to fire. The wallet holster seems to depend on what kind it is and whether it is one that can be fired while still within the wallet or not.

If I'm understanding everything right, the belt buckle is fine. It is the wallet holster type gun that would require jumping through the hoops.

Tell her you think that maybe it is a good idea to get it registered, but you don't know how. Also you haven't been able to find anyone that can tell you how and ask if she find out the procedure and let you know.

That sounds even better!!

JLowe I agree 100% they couldn't stop you from going in armed, but couldn't they have stopped you from going in in general? What I mean is just because someone is a LEO they can't come into my house unless they have a reason to. Or the guy at the convenience store can tell anyone to get out for pretty much any reason (His property his rules as is always said). I'm not trying to start anything...just a bit more discussion on the law. I don't think the law specifically address this, but maybe one difference is if you are still within the jurisdiction of the department you work for. Such as if you are Metro Nashville officer and the show was in Nashville, since you are in your jurisdiction they couldn't stop you, but if you are from somewhere else in TN they could. Again not stop you from going in armed, if they let you in they have to let you go armed, I agree, but not let you in period. Thoughts?

Just one reason I think if signs are going to carry the weight of law, they should be uniform per the law. They should have to be of a size and coloring scheme that is somewhat obnoxious...or at least very noticeable.

Or the sense in classifying a weapon that can be fired from a disguised state as AOW and requiring special ATF paperwork and taxes.

Well I understand what they are saying....I just don't agree with it.

Ah...the good old ATF. Thanks...I'd like to read it. ....and for the record.. "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a convince store NOT a federal agency."

Is that a federal law?

If you have a HCP you can carry open (belt buckle) or concealed (wallet). Nothing in the law prevents any method in either type of carry. I bet if you ask your fried to show you the law, he will get defensive and say all he knows is that it is the law or that he heard it from someone who knows what he is talking about or something like that.

What I have done is scan my DL, HCP, Insurance Card, etc.... and keep copies on the computer and on my password protected jump drive that I keep on my key chain.

AFAIK there is no law that requires you to unload your weapon at a gun show. But as with carry in general, posted or not, it always falls back to that, you have to follow the rules of the property owner and/or the person in control of the property while you are on it....or leave.

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Yep...at gun shows I do believe the mean "all" even carry weapons.

As long as you are not bringing it in for service...carry on.

I believe bkelm is right in that they are only talking about weapons that are being brought in for service. Sounds like the first girl knew that and the second one didn't.

+1 It doesn't work exactly like that. The officer usually gives the tag information to the dispatcher when he makes a stop. Some departments automatically run a registration check on the tag, some wait until the officer request it. So let's say this is a dept that goes ahead and runs the check. Nothing in the registration check will show anything about a HCP, but it does of course show the registered owner. Now...this is where we get into the possible but not as likely. The dispatcher can take that name and run a Driver's License check by name, and then match the results by address on the registration check. Of course all that does is tell you that the registered owner of the car has a HCP. It doesn't mean the owner is the one driving. (Also in many cases vehicles are registered in the both spouses name) So yes the officer could know the registered owner of the vehicle had a HCP before he approaches, but I really don't think it is done that often. At least it wasn't when I dispatched. So in this case the officer has the registration info for the car, let's say the it comes back in just the husband's name. Once he ask the wife for her DL and she has the same last name and address of the registered owner...I really don't see the passenger info coming into play...other than the LEO may ask if he is the husband. Exactly.

Ok....so here is what will really happen... You and your wife will both be arrested. Your car towed and seized. The handgun seized. Your wife will be offered a deal to testify against you and she will accept since she is tired of driving your drunk butt around anyway. You will got to jail for 11 months and 29 days and become a cell bi**h to "bubba" and your wife will divorce you and then marry the LEO that stopped you in the first place.

DAS makes very good points. Here is another question on this hypothetical, since the handgun is locked up, unloaded in the back...who is really in possession of it? If it is the driver without a HCP, it is fine because you don't need a permit to carry an unloaded weapon. I mean it's not like it is under the seat of one individual or another or in the center console quickly accessible to both parties. Just another reason that as long as everyone is cool....probably not going ot be a problem.

Just to add, one of the reasons I thought applied to a loaded weapon is because the code mentions 39-17-1315 & 39-17-1351. You don't need a permit to carry a unloaded weapon. But, nsnate02 is correct that you can be charged with 39-17-1321 even your home, were you don't have to have permit either. At least based on AG opinion 98-151* *Note some of the laws have changed since then so T.C.A. numbers are different, but I would say the overall meaning of the opinion is unchanged.

I guess I always thought it meant a loaded weapon, not unloaded and secured. So IMO, No, I don't think it would stick.

Handgunlaw.us is a good resource for any out of state carry.

Ah, that could be it, I don't have any pics on TGO, I post from photobucket, so wasn't even thinking along those lines.