Fallguy

...and while bow hunting....

Yeah..everything I read about hogs and the GSMNP says they are hated and are a problem etc.... but nothing about hunting except by wildlife managers.

Hmmm you could be on to something...

Not that I think you are really asking...but I'll play... I figure you've heard the phrase, "....have balls" Like, "You really have some balls!" or "That dude sure has some balls!" talking about them doing something dificult, impressive etc... so I have always took them hanging from a truck to mean in the owner's opinon their "Truck has balls" meaing it's tough etc..... But what do I know?!

The trouble with calling any place though is 99% of the time you are told carry is not allowed whether it is lawfully posted or not.

So that this doesn't go off the rails, I close it now. I posted where I though Raw Data could be obtained and the compiled. If someone knows a place/website where this has already been done, PM me with the info and I will add it to the thread.

It was reported a couple of years ago by someone that they thought Wilson Co allowed carry (see here) Maybe someone who has been there recently can report for sure though.

I sort of doubt any place will have this information already broke down into the categories you are talking about. I know the FBI tracks crime statistics and perhaps the TBI, but doubt if either note if the person is a LEO and/or a HCP holder, so guess you would have to get that info from somewhere and cross-reference it.

^^^What he said^^^

Interesting.....wonder how this will turn out. However I don't think it would affect the 39-17-1311 signs for parks. I still favor a complete repeal of 39-17-1311 (like 39-17-1305) instead of trying to make exceptions for HCP holders.

Yes...he carried legally, but from what he said, he implied that he would have carried even if it had been illegal. Therefore Dave's message, not only to him, but to all....

Can always contact MN and ask them why, then go from there. I mean it seems like they are the only state (besides those that don't honor any) that doesn't honor FL. Could be some little technical reason that if pushed could be resolved.

Not exactly what you are looking for, but close Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit 2011 County Statistics

+1 You just really can't have a discussion and use facts with someone coming from an emotional view point.

Yeah, 6" x 14" not as big as you'd think looking on a post from a car....

Agree... Would be a bit funny if someone's trying to toughen the law is what got it repealed....

I agree this is bad law.....but the funny thing is....it has been the law for several years. All that changed this session is making a fixed fine instead of on a scale. Wonder why more stink wasn't raised before? Now the internet posting one is new.....hopefully they will fix both though!

I am curious too if whenever a sign has to be replaced at a state park if they will leave off "No Firearms" from the new sign.

Well I don't worry at all about State Parks...I know carry is legal there and the state is only that could change that. The problem is local parks...you may not know if a city/county has passed a resolution to prohibit carry or not. You don't know if signs (if they are any) are posted under 39-17-1311© or 39-17-1311(d). Of course the AG has said you can be charged even if there isn't signs. I think these are all points that as many of us than can should make to the new Gun Task Force members when they start meeting.

I think Roadkill is right about that it only applied to state parks as far as can't remove signs, see subsection (e)(1), I don't think it addressed local parks either way. But either way it is not nor was not a Felony as the sign I saw stated. However I do agree there could be confusion...something I hope the task force will address.... (see below) Subsection ©(1) of 39-17-1311 still requires ALL counties and cities to post signs at recreational property. They can exempt themselves from having to post a sign under subsection © per ©(3) These signs would not apply to HCP holders. Now subsection (d) says if they have passed a resolution to legally prevent carry, they are supposed to post the same sign as in ©(1) and this sign would legally prevent carry. So my question is, if you don't know whether or not a city/county has passed a resoution...how are you supposed to know whether a sign is posted under © [general requirement that doesn't apply to HCP holders] or under (d) [which makes it illegal to carry]? This is why 39-17-1311 just needs to be completely repealed like 39-17-1305 was!

Good deal....

Well I just hate when I feel like I'm being ignored by Government Officals....and I was getting that feeling from the Commissioner's office. Even though the law says he "shall" contact other states, it doesn't really set out any time frame or how often etc... I just feel very few in Nashville really care about this...even if they are "supportive" they aren't active so to speak. So just thought I'd stir the pot a bit. I am luck to have a good State Rep who is a strong 2A supporter and doesn't mind trying to get me answers when I have questions. It was his office that submitted several questions to the AG for an opinion a few years ago. Now it is entirely possible that neither state will honor TN permits...but at least we'll know they've been asked.....

Well I have wondered how the signs have stayed up for two years if they were wrong.... I do plan on going by the park again, or at least having someone else to, to follow up on it. While I was pretty sure carry was legal, I know many seeing those signs may not.....just couldn't let it stand without at least asking about it.

The short story is after some contact with my State Rep and his office contacting the Commissioner of Safety's office, they are going to be contacting Washington and Maine about reciprocity and/or honoring TN permits. For the long story see below. Most of the states that do not honor TN permits do not honor ANY other state's permits. However Washington and Maine do honor some other state's permits. I contacted the Washington Attorney General's office sometime in 2008 (can't find original message) about why TN permits weren't honored. I received a written response in the mail that it was because TN did not have a way to do a computer record check of those hospitalized for a mental illness. Well in 2009 HB2249 establishing a means for an applicants disqualifying mental heath issues to be checked. (See Public Chapter 578 http://state.tn.us/sos/acts/106/pub/pc0578.pdf) was passed and had an effective date of Jan 1, 2010 In Oct 2009 I asked them if this would allow them to honor TN permits. They responded with that they would review the law. But I have never heard anything back. I had try to contact the TN Dept of Safety Commissioner's office myself without much luck. Well finally I thought I would contact my Rep who has been very helpful in the past. I was curious how often the DOS contacted states about reciprocity and the reasons why (if any) states gave for not honoring TN permits. Never did get direct specific answers to those questions other than "regularly" and that the last time Maine was contacted that TN law wasn't compatible. So not knowing how long ago that was and that Maine does honor 6 other state's permits now, whose law seem pretty close to TN's, thought it would be worth checking with them again. On Washington their website said they had questions about some of TN laws and were waiting for a response, according to the DOS they sent the law above to Washington, but never heard back. But now they are supposed to be recontacting them. So maybe with a little luck TN permits will be good in Washington and Maine soon...and Wisconsin with their new law.

Monday I was in Jackson and went to Cypress Grove Nature Park. As I was entering I saw a sign that said it was a FELONY to carry weapons on recreational property. I was pretty sure this wasn't right on two levels, one Jackson did not opt-out of the state law and even if they did it is a misdemeanor not a felony. So the next day I sent an e-mail to the Mayor, the City Council Member whose district the park is in, the City Council Member who is the liaison to the Parks and Recreation Dept and the Director of the Parks and Recreation Dept. I told them the above and even linked to the July 2009 City Council Meeting where the resolution to ban carry failed. After a couple more exchanges with the Parks and Recreation director, he did confirm that handgun carry was legal in Jackson City Parks for those with a HCP and that they would be removing the signs. So I guess my point is, if you see something that you think is wrong...don't be afraid to contact someone about it!!