Fallguy

Here is the TN Code on LEO carry and schools. 39-17-1350©(1) says an officer not in the actual discharge of his official duties can not carry on "school grounds or inside a school building during regular school hours unless the officer immediately informs the principal that the officer will be present on school grounds or inside the school building and in possession of a firearm. If the principal is unavailable, the notice may be given to an appropriate administrative staff person in the principal's office" IMO the part about "regular school hours" would mean that he would not have to notify the principal during a Friday night football game etc.... and that carry would be perfectly legal. Also some may want to see TN AG Opinion 09-30 about LEO carry on campuses controlled by the Tennessee Board of Regents

Agree, seems to have turned into nothing but personal attacks. Rather than infractions to everyone I am just closing it....

I agree that you should be ready to use when you draw. However as has been said, it is possible the assailant could disarm before you are fully aimed. As far as holding at gun point...that is iffy. In my house I don't think I would worry about it as much as on the street. I'm not saying whether someone should or shouldn't, my advise on being ready to disarm for the police etc... was for if you did choose to.

Yeah I did a search and found an old thread where someone had reported that the entrances to the parking lot/property were posted. It was mentioned that if that was the case then then the whole place would be off-limits. But again those postings would have to be at all entrances and be clearly visable.

Was tempted to close this thread after I saw the OP apparnetly was just trying to stir something up, but I think for now it is a pretty good discussion. To go ahead and answer the rhetorical question.....there is no set number of attackers before deadly force may be justified. As long as you (and possibly 12 of your peers reasonably fear imminent death or serious bodily harm. So as with most of these type scenario questions, it depends on the facts/circumstances of each individual situation.

Have to agree on if they leave, let them go. Also is you or someone has called the police listen to their commands and be ready to lay your weapon down and you too probably until they get it sorted out. Might be a good idea to give them information that you are armed and holding the subject during the call.

It boils down to the mall attempting to comply with the law, but not fully doing so. Apparently they have missed the part where it says every entrance generally used by the public must be posted. No whether that defense would help in court?....Who knows......

This one closed

Yep, now if a wording only sign is used, it must contain the three above elements, to be valid. But the same law also now says a "Circle and Slash" symbol with a gun sign by itself is a legal posting as well.

Well I think all counties are non-charter by default, but can choose to become a charter county. I have emailed CTAS for more information.

No biggie. I knew by your post count you probably didn't know. I do see where you're coming from.

From what I can tell from Knox County Code Chapter 1, Sec 1-1 and TCA 5-1-211 Counties that have voted to have a Charter from of County goverment can pass ordnances. So I think if a county has not done this, they can not pass their own ordnance. Chapter 1 of the Tennessee County Goverment Handbook provided by CTAS says... Under the Tennessee Constitution, counties are an extension of the state and are deemed political subdivisions of the state created in the exercise of its sovereign power to carry out the policy of the state. Counties, as the creation of the state, are subject to control by Tennessee's legislature, known as the General Assembly. Although the General Assembly has very broad powers to deal with county government, the state's constitution places some limitation on its discretion regarding counties. A long line of Tennessee Supreme Court case law has held that counties have no authority except that expressly given them by statute or necessarily implied from it. Bayless v. Knox County, 286 S.W.2d 579 (Tenn. 1955). Although statutes are the primary source of county authority, the Tennessee Constitution does contain a few provisions specifically addressed to county government.

While many may agree with you in theory....please remember Rule 5 of the Code of Conduct

I stand corrected. However I still dont' think all counties can do as much as cities can. Trying to read T.C.A. Title 5, Chapter 1, Part 1 and as with most things TCA....it is clear as mud....lol

An in proper sign doesn't mean anything to me. I mean an owner of a place can put up sign that says anything, but just because he does doesn't make it so. The law provides a legal way for them to prohibit carry if that is what they want to do. When I first started to carry I admit, I used to think if a place was improperly posted it should be pointed out to them so as there is no confusion. But over the years I have changed my point of view.

The main reasons I don't carry IWB or even OWB is ....one I mainly tuck my shirts, but secondly because of being a big guy my body pushes the butt of the gun away from my body to the point it can be noticable even under a not tucked in shirt.

Y'all may be thinking of a wildlifle law, 70-4-108( which says "It is unlawful to hunt, shoot at, chase, or kill, with or without dogs any wild animal, wild bird or wild fowl on public lands and waters within one hundred yards (100 yds.) of a visible dwelling house, whether or not such dwelling house is on public or private lands, without the owner's permission" However that seems to only be talking about hunting and while on public land and/or waters. www.michie.com/tennessee

I blame the media..... When the "Guns in Bars" bill was being discussed, they kept saying all a property owner had to do was post a sign that said "No Guns". Also I wouldn't say "You can't be prosocuted." There is an old saying in the legal fied that a DA can get an indiment against a ham sandwich. I would say that you shouldn't be prosocuted and if you are you shouldn't be found guilty though. But as OS said, there has never been a case on this to anyone knowledge on here.

IMO that sign does not meet the requirments of the 39-17-1359 (Can bee seen here in Section 3) 39-17-1359 (a)(1) An individual, corporation, business entity or local, state or federal government entity or agent thereof is authorized to prohibit the possession of weapons by any person who is at a meeting conducted by, or on property owned, operated, or managed or under the control of the individual, corporation, business entity or government entity. (2) The prohibition in subdivision (1) shall apply to any person who is authorized to carry a firearm by authority of § 39-17-1351. ((1) Notice of the prohibition permitted by subsection (a) shall be accomplished by displaying one (1) or both of the notices described in subdivision (3) in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited. Either form of notice used shall be of a size that is plainly visible to the average person entering the building, property, or portion of the building or property, posted. (2) The notice required by this section shall be in English, but a duplicate notice may also be posted in any language used by patrons, customers or persons who frequent the place where weapon possession is prohibited. (3)(A) If a sign is used as the method of posting, it shall contain language substantially similar to the following: AS AUTHORIZED BY TCA § 39-17-1359, POSSESSION OF A WEAPON ON POSTED PROPERTY OR IN A POSTED BUILDING IS PROHIBITED AND IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. ( As used in this section, "language substantially similar to" means the sign contains language plainly stating that: (i) The property is posted under authority of Tennessee law; ( ii) Weapons or firearms are prohibited on the property, in the building, or on the portion of the property or building that is posted; and (iii) Possessing a weapon in an area that has been posted is a criminal offense. © A building, property or a portion of a building or property, shall be considered properly posted in accordance with this section if one (1) or both of the following is displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited: (i) The international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle; or (ii) The posting sign described in this subdivision (3). ©(1) It is an offense to possess a weapon in a building or on property that is properly posted in accordance with this section. (2) Possession of a weapon on posted property in violation of this section is a Class B misdemeanor punishable by fine only of five hundred dollars ($500). (d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter, reduce or eliminate any civil or criminal liability that a property owner or manager may have for injuries arising on their property. (e) The provisions of this section shall not apply to Title 70 regarding wildlife laws, rules and regulations. (f) This section shall not apply to the grounds of any public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality or instrumentality thereof. The carrying of firearms in those areas shall be governed by § 39-17-1311.

While not my first choice on a method of carry I pocket carry. Being a big guy there is enough room in my pocket for my Glock 32. I have a shoulder holster and have found it hard to adjust it to where it is an easy draw. The holster seems to want to move toward my back and makes it hard for my hand to come across (and around) enough to draw it. Not saying I can't do it, just not as easy as I'd like it to be. I have used a OWB holster with an untucked shirt as well. If I have a large enough shirt it does conceal pretty well.

I don't think legally counties can enact ordnances, only cities. It is hard to find a law that says you can do something, most laws tell you what you can't do. So I don't think you'll find anything to show your BIL that it is legal. Rather you may challenge him to show you the law that says it is illegal.

Well by checking www.comcast.com and putting in Franklin (not sure where in Middle TN you are) it shows Spike on Channel 61 and in HD on Channel 218

Looks good

AFAIK no specific requirment for the handgun to be used other than it be functional.

But also 39-17-1311 it is legal by default to carry in city/county parks. To make it illegal they have to pass a resoltuion and properly post the park with sign worded "exactly" like what is in 39-17-1311.