Jonnin

Obama is a lot of things and most of them are worthy of criticism. But I just do not see him trying a military takeover of the country. I can see him pulling a "gore" with the election recounts or whining about a loss, because, like gore, he is the chosen one in his own mind and cannot even imagine losing. Honestly, though, I think obama has more class than gore. I think he will stand down and become another clinton --- always sticking his 2 cents in for the media. He may become a leader of liberals, or possibly the black community like sharpton etc, and keep a pot stirring with such a position. This being obama, I could see him starting a TV show.

A bit far. I would totally watch / listen to it on utoob or webinar or whatever if that is an option, maybe you can record it and share it with more folks as well as live?

Presumably lots of us have been fingerprinted though, for the HCP if nothing else. Many as kids by paranoid parents are also on file. Whatever other reasons. Feds employ a lot of folks here, tva alone is a big deal in my city. I don't get the poster. Is that the actor who played mcgyver? Dad hated that show's anti-gun vibe.

Well, agreed, the elected officials and the people that keep them in office are the root of most of the problems from city government on up. Not sure what you disagree with? As I read it (historically and literally) it seems the authors wanted the people (everyone!) to be armed sufficiently to overthrow the government should it be necessary to do that. I am not saying I would like to see the wealthy drug gangs or even well meaning idiots with bazookas, nukes, and gunships, I am just offering it up as a literal translation here of the intent. Clearly, in a world where morons routinely shoot themselves and each other by accident, some things need to be very, very carefully evaluated. I can see it now, the "we miss chattanooga" 3 rules of common sense nuke handling.... 1) be sure you do not arm it until you are ready to destoy a city, 2) be aware of the suburbs and other cities near your target, 3) ...

Done. Hopefully you get a chance to talk, listen, and perhaps try again.

my 2 cents... first things first, figure out the actual value of each item and write it down. You can cruise gunbroker and local stores and such to get an average price for the item NEW and USED. Figure out what it has SOLD for (not just asking prices, which can be stupidly high, or starter prices, which can be as low as $1 due to the nutty reserve not met auction type sites where the seller hides the lowest bid he will accept so you have to add a buck at a time until you find his threshold). Now that you have a price, you can do any of many things. My top thoughts... 1) sell it at a gun show. Individuals there will see you have the gun and try to buy it. If they offer a fair price, you are done. 2) Sell it online. Dangerous: incidents of being relived of your weapons and possibly hurt are uncommon but happen. Also shady buyers, out of state buyers, and other issues. You may have to ship if you use a nationwide broker, and that means shipping and ffl fees. Face to face meetings should be done in highly public places with a buddy watching your back. 3) sell it at a gun store, on commission. You set the price, store shows it to people for you, and you get 90% of what it was sold for. Not too bad. 4) Trade it in --- either to a store (most stores are more reasonable on trades than buying from you, you can usually do OK here) or at a gun show (often better than the store) or to an individual (best result, but have to do work to find buyers). It depends on what it is how much work you may have to do in order to sell your items. A rare, multi-thousand dollar gun is harder to sell than a $350 common pistol. A beat up gun is harder to sell than a nearly new one unless you take a substantial loss.

There is plenty wrong with TN law. Right away is the strange misconception that arms == guns. Arms == any weapons. Lets put nuclear bombs and coptor gunships aside for a moment, the current TN law blocks me from carrying a decent knife or sword, which are not only mostly harmless in a gun totin' society (both LEOS and Potential Victims can easily handle a swordsman gone wrong), they are legit arms. Then there is the carry permit. Legally, we have no 2nd ammendment in TN, legally, you cannot carry ANY arms in TN without a permit that you may not be able to afford to purchase or maintain. Even with the permit, you cannot carry a rifle, a shotgun, a crossbow, a sword, a knife, nunchucks, or apparently even some pistols (long story about AR pistols). Here again a basic rifle is "arms" by any logical defination of the term. And technically, if I can afford it, I should be able to buy a tank or copter or bomber plane and have THAT under my keep and bear ARMS freedom. Yes, I understand why the government would fear such a thing and restrict it --- and that is EXACTLY the problem and point. All that aside again, good for them, I am glad every time I see a state relax the foolish laws that were created so long ago.

you need quite a bit of clear, undamaged print to get anywhere with them. They probably have better luck with your dna residue than partial prints these days. Its possible to leave behind a usable print, but the odds are stacked greatly in your favor --- the specific gun you touched being used in a crime with a usable print left behind and double up you not having an alibi and there being no evidence that someone else did it so they are grabbing at straws ... I would not be paranoid over this.

its a 1909. Its not quite a gew, but they are similar, predates it and different caliber. Sweet, hope it shoots as good as it sounds!

just asking. I have no idea, but it sounds like a bad idea ^^^ to try parking it on the regular ones.

I hate to ask the stupidly obvious, but I will. After its all *done* and ready to live in, how different is such a container from a typical single wide trailer? It sounds like a DIY trailer and it sounds like it might save a little over the ready to go ones, after a bit of effort, but does it save enough to justify all the work or are you trying to make something better/stronger/something?

Computers, games & a developer (both a job and a hobby at times). These days reading a lot, computer games a lot, whatever my wife's current hobby (she changes a lot) I do with her if I can. That has included everything from cooking (various) to electronics workbench, she is always looking to dabble in something new for a while before moving on. This year she has gotten into the prepping thing at a more advanced level than just having a few basics.

That does it, I am not going anywhere without a car! VERY Good video, thanks for sharing.

Heh no, I do not equate morals with puritans, I was simply pointing to a point in time where people were giving "clean moral living" a try (some more than others) along with government enforcement of morality and how all that worked out. People *should* want to get along and have, lets call it common decency. I never said otherwise. I just said time are no worse than ever they were, there have always been some people who are, simply put, not very nice. The more people you have, the more actual not nice individuals you have. I dispute that morality is on the decline, in other words, that was my main point, its the same as it always has been and always will be. More people but the same % of thugs & cattle rustlers or car theives etc, in other words, roughly. If you disagree, point me at something. Show me some great immorality that happens today that did not happen in 1930 or 1500 or 87 bc. What are people doing today that is so much more immoral? It is better communicated and advertised, less private, but the actual acts and behaviors and %s of the population engaged in them?

Not much in the way of responses --- there are safeties and then there are safeties. Most of the guns I have carried did not need the safety: their first shot (DA/SA guns here) was harder to achieve than a glock and on par with a safetyless DAO pistol. Such guns, the safety is not necessary. I have moved on toward the newer generation of small single action pistols, which have a short and light trigger that is downright dangerous without a safety. Big difference in these guns and relative need for a safety! So now I have to vote yes, becaues my gun choice would be unsafe without it.

http://www.kickinbak.com/posts/Bullet_chart.pdf has 30-30 and 45-70.

The implication that any hobby or entertainment is the CAUSE of problems is insulting to anyone's intellect and offenive. The problems are caused by doing anything to excess, whether that is work, drinking, gaming, eating, sleeping, TV, you name it -- even shooting. Lady at work exercises too much and now her knees are going bad. What it comes down to is the press hates the idea that PEOPLE are the actual problem. The liberals want to blame objects instead of people. So they demonize whatever .... games, sex, guns, etc. Then do an unscientific study that "proves" whatever point via illogic. It is offensive as it is insulting to the intelligence of anyone reading their spew. I mean, I could easily do a "study" to show that 60 year olds who abused their knees have knee problems, and with some hand waving, "prove" that exercise is terrible to do and very hard on the body. It would be total nonsense, but that is what we are dealing with here. Connecting the deaths of a tiny number of people caused by a tiny number of (thugs or mentally ill nuts) to a hobby that is loved by millions and millions worldwide is exactly like the gun crap we see published : in both cases the people are all saints victimized by objects (or software, whatever).

This slam on the entire branch of gov't amused me: <Scott DesJarlais> accomplished something incredibly difficult. He has embarrassed the United States Congress," About time. Why is this clown still in office? http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/19954683/tennessee-conservative-union-chairman-calls-for-scott-desjarlais-resignation

There is only one poll that matters. And it is almost here.

I see schools producing the same thing as always... a bunch of everything from engineers and scientists to liberal journalists, to lawyers to pastors to doctors. There is a lot of nonsense in school but plenty of folks come out qualified to do amazing things. I see good and bad parents, same as always. I find welfare in the bible, where the field owners left some for the poor to gather, or the "give to whoever asks" verse. And perhaps we are less moral than in the 1920s, but somehow I doubt it. People were painting some decent porn on the sides of the "bath" houses before england was invaded by rome. Nothing ever changes. Tech does, and the flow of information about private life (and how odd people really ARE) makes things public that probably should not be, but actual human behavior has not changed since the dawn of time. People have always raped and robbed, cheated and lied, had strange sex lives, and more. You can find some real eye openers in the bible on all those... the prehistoric folks did all this and it got written down. At no time has any society "lived morally". The puritans tried and all they managed was mass murder of "witches" and "sinners". It is not possible for humans to "live morally" --- whether that is the cause of our problems, I cannot say, but it is not possible and things on THAT scale have never changed.

This is just offensive to those of us who play games. I have a full time job, but as I choose to be childless and watch ZERO TV, I find I have time to play 3 or so hours a night. I am only a tiny bit overweight, 15 pounds or so, and that was caused by good food, not video games (I am sure if I worked out 3 hours a night I would lose it but we could blame my 8 hours of ass sitting job more than the games if we want to blame something). I have played any number of violent games, from mortal kombat and similar stuff (one of them you could dismember your opponents) to first person shooters (kill kill kill) and more (including one of the wolfensteins where headshot sniping was fun with a scoped k98). I played the heck out of grand theft auto, where you could beat people over the head and steal their stuff and mix it up with the police. None of that has caused me to harm anyone or break any laws. Nearly every one of the "games are bad" people watch tons of TV, much of it violent or disturbing. This is just liberalism: "I can have my fun but yours should be banned" mentality. Same technique is used across the board when limiting freedoms (ban games, ban guns, ban booze/pot, ban certain types of sex, ban ban ban). Its all the same, people get worked up that someone else wants to enjoy a different form of entertainment. IMHO welfare should ONLY be paid in a very few cases and in most of those (barring 100% inability to do ANY job, including unable to sit in a chair and greet at walmart --- total mental handicapped or total physical handicapped or both in other words) work should be required. But that has NOTHING to do with video games.

We tried a 100 yard slug shot at a 3 gun match. Lots of guns from junk (mine) to pricy. Rifle sights, bead sights, red dots, little of everything. Very, very few shooters hit the target on the first shot. Average was 3-4 shots to score 1 hit at 100. You can do better than that with a gun set up for it but the gun you describe would be on par with these (home defense setups). 50 yards, maybe. 25, sure, easy. Past 50, though, you would as likely as not miss a kill shot at game (deer) with a slug unless you set the gun up FOR slugs. And as was said, past 25, buckshot will still be devestating but so spread out that you have no control where the rounds go. For either (buck or slugs), past 25 yards I would consider it potentially cruel for game (due to missing vitals / swift kill hits).

Yes, 18.5 will pattern the same assuming you cut it 90 degrees cleanly. If you cut it at an angle it will mess with the pattern somewhat, the steeper the angle, the weirder it will get. Yes, cutting on a barrel messes up the choke. If its a threaded insert choke, it will now stick out or if you cut far enough, the threads will be *gone* and choke no longer fits. If the barrel is choked by shape, and you cut it, that is also *gone*. As I said above: barrel length does NOT have any significant impact on spread if the gun is LEGAL. 18.5 or 20, its about the same until you get well past "normal operational distances". Longer barrels will be tighter at any given distance, but at self defense distances, you are talking a few milimeters of radius and within the margin of error from one shot to the next or brand of ammo variation etc. Even if he messed up the choke, as a self defense gun, it should still be fine. Throw in some #3 or larger shot and some slugs, and it will do what you want it to do at "inside the house" distances.

Most age requirements make zero sense. IMHO it is dumb that you can sell your body to the "adult industry" before you can drink or carry a gun. It is dumb that drinking is delayed so long --- leads to more/worse abuse in the teens IMHO. 16 is probably too young to drive --- driving has been more dangerous than guns for decades, if we assume that the gun age made any sense then the driving one does not. Laws are the result of not making lawyers (law makers, really, who are usually lawyers) study mathematical and classical logic in depth, methinks.

I studied this a while back. No legal shotgun barrel cut down has significant impact on spread at defense ranges. Chokes can change it up, but the barrels are too long to affect spread. To get the nasty combat spread you need a dreadfully short and ILLEGAL barrel, talking like 3-5 inches.