Jonnin

With or without the broken shoulder, is the important question...

My bad on the knife, I thought you were talking about a hospital with a posted door, not the campus.

A lot of them are. Typically, the problem is the springs: they are often so strong on a few guns that they will jam up if you do not feed the gun the hottest .22LR round you can find, a well known source of which is the CCI mini-mags which are stouter than most. And expensive, at about $5 per 50 or so. The ones you see over and over, ruger, smith, browning, walther .... those do not jam on cheap ammo in general. There are always exceptions but its a pretty safe bet that those guns will work on anything. I havent had a chance to try a bersa 22, but Ive yet to hear anyone say anything bad about a bersa.

Knife is fine if its under legal limit, which is fine, as a 2 inch blade is enough to work someone over, you being a med student, ask yourself where some major blood vessles are that are less than 2 inches deep, there are several to choose from... Pepper spray is always legal everywhere. Its not regulated anywhere that I know of, maybe on an airplane at the most. A baton, I don't know. I think that could be considered a weapon & create some problems. The knife you can pass off as a tool that you improvised with; any baton is going to be questioned unless its a walking cane. A taser might work as well, I dont know what rules you need for those, I suspect it is like pepper spray and legal in most places as its nonlethal. ------------------- I didnt mean for you to be a jerk. Be nice, but I still say to ask for that escort daily. Nice as can be, its still an aggravation to the staff, and if everyone did it, it would lead to something. If every person (employee or client) asked for an escort due to being disarmed, they would go nuts no matter how nice everyone was about it. I never advocate being a jerk. If and when I ever shoot someone in the head for busting into my house, its very likely I will say excuse me as I do it...

Heh I hear that. My wife just decided she loves this, so after her first round last month we have been scrabbling to get a half decent setup to share. Every little thing is a pain sometimes. I get here a mini-14 and a set of 223 reloading dies and darn it all if I dont get the 5th case stuck in the die and its not coming out anytime soon. I get tube extender for the shot gun and on the back its all like "just undo a screw and pop it on, a 3rd grader can do it" then I open it up and inside its "except for YOUR model gun, which needs 20 hours of dremel grindage to make this tube fit and even after that the shells will hang up until its polished mirror smooth". I send the wife out for slugs for the upcoming and she finds loaded to the max 1650 FPS elephant busters (they were the cheapest ones says she), guess who gets to shoot THOSE in the upcoming match while I had to find HER a set of 1300 FPS target loads... Its not all bad tho. That mini-14 is COOL and fun to shoot, and the rings that came with it actually worked, and I was actually able to get a scope on it and she zeroed it in for us pretty well. It does lose all our brass, ruger apparently things 223 brass isnt worth saving and is best launched to the moon to ensure that your area does not become cluttered. And I got a new 9mm out of the deal, cheap ruger p85 but its a great gun. I dont mind sharing but I drew a line at that glock of hers, I cant stand that thing. The actual competition last time was fun, though. Getting started pains should be about over (I hope) and we can move on to a slow paced upgrade strategy as we see what other guys have & round out our gear. I can say that all fun and games aside, if I am ever faced with 20 guys like that stage last month, I am running away, not charging in, esp if they remain standing after I shoot them like those cardboard guys do..!

Aggravate the crap out of the security. Tell them you want them to walk you to and from your car every day due to you having to be unarmed due to policy. This provides you defense: you have a personal armed guard, and it gets the message across to the administration. If everyone did this the powers that be would eventually be covered with complaints from the aggravated security staff, and who knows, you might get a common sense ball rolling.

We have a MKII and a buckmark w/ 7inch barrel, both are the great shooters, and and old S&W 22s or something (no longer made??). The MII barrel is 6 or so inches I forget the exact value. My friend has a walther and while its reliable and fun, its not accruate compared to the above. The above can make a 1 inch hole for me over a few clips; I cannot do that with the walther and end up with a "shotgun" 2-3 inch group. The phoenix we have is reliable and as accurate as the walther, and IMHO better looking (the walther looks like a squirt gun). Ive only seen one sig in action and it jammed about once per clip on cheap ammo, as was said. That sort of crap is fixable, you can pull the springs out and such or get a gunsmith to do it (replace or cut a coil off), but I would not bother. Its a mistake by sig, not on par with their normal quality. There is nothing wrong with the walther if you prefer it and are not trying to shoot a dime at 50 yards or something. It shoots anything and has a decent feel to it. But I would get something more accurate, I hate wondering if its ME or the gun when I miss, esp with a 22 where there is no recoil or other excuses.

I dunno about pulling a scope off a gun and putting it back. While you can get a quality quick release that allows this, its for the SAME GUN. So you pull it off and put it back on, its still zeroed in where you left it with these mounts. But when you put it on another gun, its going to be off zero, and if you fix it, now its wrong for the first gun, and so forth. You would end up re-zeroing the scope (to the tune of between 5 and 20 shots) every time you popped it off one gun and onto the other, unless you spent a great deal of time to ensure that the same scope settings worked on both guns, a very difficult task. I have never had any trouble from leopould scopes and I do think they have a lifetime warrenty (check that?). I would get one with adjustable power, so you can use it at a variety of ranges and scenarios for fun. Zoom in to snipe at something, zoom out to pop multiple targets at a medium distance, etc. The bolt action, you might want a long range, high magnification scope, maybe a 20 power or higher, while the scar might be best served with a 5-10 power or a 2-7 power sort of setup for medium ranges. But that is just me talking, thats what I would do with those guns. So, in brief, get 2 scopes, and tailor them to the guns, leopould is a great brand (no clue about the other brand), and get a variable power scope on the SCAR at least, while the BA might be fine with a single power or less adjustments if you want to save money on it. Depending on the size and how you hold/use the scar, a pistol scope may be an option, give it a think. Where is your head in relation to the scope when you fire it, if the scope is way in front of you, try pistol, if its close up, try rifle.

Thats new gun price. It may have been new (unclear from his post) but thats a bit much for one that was bought & sold once already even if unfired. Mine new was about $600, it was the "rosewood" or whatever they are grips on black finish. I have yet to visit a decent sized shop that did NOT have one of some sort (not sure what sas version is, but the basic model is quite common).

Theres not much you can do if someone grabs it the wrong/right way. Ive got my pocket gun made out to look like a wallet but if you grabbed it just so, it would be pretty clear that something is going on. Or if you hit it hard it could drop the mag with a nice metallic click. No system is perfect when you are being grabbed or bumped into a lot, unless you bury it deep enough that you cant get at it in time. I would say it was just bad luck.

Web sez: 250 barrel length ranges from 3.6 to 4.7 depending on the frame (subcompact, compact, full sized) 226 is 4.4 and that is the only size (?). 2022 is 3.9, only size I found (?). .45s normally have pretty tame recoil, its a massive round with a small powder charge and it travels at nearly 1/2 the velocity of other calibers. A few of the smaller guns may make this round punishing, but in a full sized pistol, it should not be too bad. Actually, recoil (for pistols!) is always the gun, never the round. Some 9mm will jerk you around like a puppet, others can be fired with one hand all day long. Even a .22 LR round in a derringer can feel a bit fiesty to some folks. Someday, give a full sized .45 a chance. Getting the gun you want is a great way to start, you are making a great decision there. In a few cases its best to get what you can afford (settle for less) such as your first gun (need it NOW for defense, not in a year when you have saved up... etc) or a deer rifle (only going to shoot 10 rounds out of it a year, maybe that cheapo is better than the 2000 yard tatical rifle with a $800 scope and bipod for now..!) or the like. Most of the time, though, making a careful choice and saving up is better. One last thing to look at. BBTI - 9mm Luger shows that the difference in a 3 inch barrel vs a 4 inch is, on the average for a 9mm round, 75 or so feet per second (more in the longer barrel). Here you can see the effect of barrel length on velocity, which really starts to mess with most handgun rounds at 100 yards or so (the faster the round moves, the sooner it gets to 100 yards, so the less time gravity has to drop the round). Also, velocity has an effect on hollowpoint expansion and penetration. Its probably safe to say that any barrel over 3 inches is going to do anything you are interested in at this time with this firearm, and the biggest effect that the barrels will have for you is the increased weight and moment of inertia (which will help reduce "recoil felt" as the gun grows in size). If that is what you seek (lower recoil), then keep looking at the longer barrels. If the recoil of a 3 inch barrel does not bother you, branch out to try the other models.

You can post to buy or trade against someone else's offering, but you cannot post a new thread (or hijack another thread to sell your stuff).

In about 60 seconds of google I found (copied and pasted) 9mm Ammo 115gr FMJ Wolf Performance 50 Round Box Price: $8.50 ---- Its out there, you just have to click on a few places. Of course thats going to have tax & shipping on it. Just last month, one of the big chains (academy??) had it for $8 + tax even in a sale. Steel junk ammo, but it all shoots. The best .40 I found in the same time was $14 a box, but I couldnt find a good deal on it quickly this morn, thats "going rate" for cheap and you find it a little lower sometimes if you dig around.

Everyone I know with a wittness (the only gun from them you see much of, or are all their models called this??) is happy as well. I was looking at their SAO 9mm version, but its a bit pricy for me atm.

It doesnt, actually. It has stout recoil springs (2 of them!) and weighs a ton, with a 1911 style grip. Put the same ammo in my ruger blackhawk with a 8 inch barrel, and the revolver has a good 30% more felt recoil. The only time I ever felt the DE kick was a bit harsh was when I shot up some old deer-killers, 300 grain jacketed soft point ammo, and some old self defense ammo, silver-bullet stuff (winchester??). The hot loads are, as expected, stout, and they are still far, far less stout in the DE than the revolver. Normal loads of 200 grain or so is really not bad at all. Unlike the revolver, though, you cannot shoot 44 specials thru it to take a break from the magnums.

Right, you want to use solid point ammo most likely, or alternate solid and hollow points. I think most defense ammo makes still carry 25, still a lot of guns out there that shoot that round.

Criminally you are fine. IE you cannot be arrested, jailed, lose your HCP, or other such things: the sherrif cannot touch you. Walmart can sue you, however, using a shady lawyer who can show that you endangered yourself or others, that you willingly violated policy, or who knows what else. Personally, yes, I would still carry. So if you ask me what I would do, I would carry. But if you ask me what YOU should do, I cannot tell you: if I give you bad advice that gets you sued, you can then in turn sue me.... such is the way our legal system works right now. So all I can advise for YOU is to not do it, that way if you get burned, you can't point at me...! The older I get, the less often I am without a gun. I won't enter a place with a no-carry sign, I will not fly, I will not go to a state that does not honor my HCP, etc. There are too many violent idiots out there these days (really for the past 50 years) to do anything else. But thats just my take on it. Thankfully, I do not really like to travel anyway.

Mine is amazingly accurate and puts out a fair amount of noise, smoke, and fire. A very fun gun all the way around.

Its a multiplier. I can shoot 100 or more 9mm a week. $5 to convert that to 40 isnt so bad, on week 1. By week 52, its $260 though, and the difference between 9mm and 40 is tiny. A few feet per second, a wee bit more momentum, and a whopping 1.5 mm larger hole (assuming 50% JHP expansion). I only shoot my .40 once in a while, and use cheap 9mm ammo more often, and .22 is what I shoot the most of (at 550 rounds for $20ish). I don't get out my .44 mag much at all, because when my current stash of old ammo is gone, its going to hurt to buy that stuff. there are other factors too. You can always find free 9mm brass at a range. .40 is less common. If you decided to reload, it becomes important to have the calibers that you find most. Remember that online ammo costs a bit to ship, as it is heavy. All that aside, its your money. If you do not shoot often, or .40 is just one of your calibers, etc, its not a big deal. If you hit the range every week, it can get ugly fast. A box of 50 is 3 magazines in a standard 15 round semi auto, its gone in no time. My daily carry gun is a .40, and its a fine caliber with many, many great firearms chambered for it. But I don't empty box after box of the stuff downrange on a regular basis, about once a month I get 1 box, tops. And its towards the top of my list for the next caliber to reload --- at that point, I may shoot it more often. There is nothing wrong with your choice, but you should be aware of the issue in case you do plan on shooting a lot and if money is an issue for you.

Its not your money. Walmart does not want you to protect it. Let the guy steal it. I don't have an answer for your self defense if someone goes nuts, whatever the reason, but everyone in a crime-approved-zone has that same risk. I would suggest, if attacked due to a background check, just say OK OK, surrender, and let him have the gun. Here again, walmart does not want you to fight, they want you to let the store be robbed instead, so oblige them.

If you have no sign on the door, you can carry it without being arrested. However if it violates company policy, you can be fired for it. If they want to make a case for it, you may be able to be sued or something as well (endangerment or some BS). Most likely, you would just be fired: I do not think it breaks any laws outright if you have a permit and its not posted, but you have no defense if fired either, and that will look VERY BAD to your next employeer and it makes ALL LEGAL CARRY FOLKS LOOK BAD.

Welcome! Biggest things to think about is how to protect your child in the next 4 years or so, you might want to learn to use the lock that came with it, or get one of the small lock boxes, or whatever. By the time the child is 5-6 you can begin to train things like do not touch this without daddy around and teach the simple safety rules for kids (see online materials on teaching kids about guns). Practice a lot until you can shoot well. Then take some defensive classes as you have time and money. Involve your wife if you can get her interested in it. Learn to care for your gun, keeping it maintained is important for a semi-auto. You picked a quality gun for your first. I have the sub-compact PX, and its a great piece. Never had the slightest problem out of any beretta over the years.

Thats really going too far. Glocks are awesome, but "the top product" is a lot to swallow on a gun that has a long, heavy trigger pull and a design that makes recoil worse instead of better (ultra light weight and small size) as well as a very odd grip angle. Glock makes a fine product, sure, but the best?! Its not *that* good. You really do want to look at the price of ammo before you buy any gun. .40 is just not worth it. 380 is another type that is not worth it as a range gun (its ok for a pocket pistol that you rarely shoot, and little else). 9mm is your best bet for a lot of range time unless you use a .22 (even cheaper). I always recommend at least one .22 for shooting practice, its just so much money saved to use the 22 sometimes, easily save $30 a night even over 9mm.

Welcome! I will look for your advice/questions and try to help if I can.

If you can afford .40 ammo, you can affored any gun chambered for it.... its gold plated instead of copper, apparently... All kidding aside, lets take a look. CZ 75 in .40 has a 4.7 barrel and is 1/2 inch total longer than the glock. Its a DA, not a DAO like the glock (or whatever words to that effect). MSRP is $525. A second model is under $500, I cannot find a model name on them, but look at their site or google it. Ruger P94 is a CHEAP GUN with a 4.5 length barrel and DA style. I have a 9mm version of this and its an awesome gun that I got used for about $250 + fees. A new one is around $500 I think. Even cheaper is hi-point's 40/45 platform. A $200-300 price tag I think. 4.5 barrel. Lots of haters of the brand yet the site where I saw it gave it 4 out of 5 bullets for overall review. The EAA witness is a good gun for the money, 4.5 barrel and longish frame. The bersa thunder is also quite cheap, 4.3 barrel and a much better gun for concealed carry than most of the above monsters. Most of them are DA, not DAO/glockish design. Is that a problem? I just listed the ones I found in a hurry from brands that I know mostly put out good products (the only questionable one was hi-point, which I am not sure of their quality, never held one). My criteria for the search was a 4.25 to 5 inch barrel and under $600 in price. There are plenty that I did not list as well, but maybe these will get you started if a DA is acceptable. If you want a DAO or similar action, I can put that in the criteria and try again, but those are less common in .40 in the size you wanted, the large frames are DA usually.