Jonnin

Are the .22 hollowpoints that different? The few I have seen look like someone tapped the nose of a solild point with a needle, and I would not think it has any effect on feeding (?).

Its billed on the KT site as automatically adjusting to handle a wide variety of ammo. There should not be a "recommended" ammo for it, officially. From their description: The PMR-30 operates on a unique hybrid blowback/locked-breech system. This operation system allows for the use of a wide variety of ammunition as it seamlessly adjusts between locked breach and blowback operation, depending on the pressure of the cartridge. So if it fails to work regularly and only likes 1 ammo type, something is wrong.... The more I hear about this thing, the happier I am that I picked the plr-16 instead (it was a pick between these 2 guns for me). Sounds like they need to get some kinks worked out on this one.

You didn't. Either the one guy at that shop has a serious problem, or the whole shop does (passed down from owner? who knows?), but if you are up front about something and they say NO, and you do not push the issue, whats the problem? The problem is 100% in the mind of the shop guy you talked to. If that was the owner/manager or someone important, there is a problem with the shop. If it was just some clerk, he could have acted on his own without the owner or "store's" knowledge. So it matters who you spoke with. If it was the owner, never return there and tell anyone who asks that the shop is no good. If it was a clerk, contact the owner and tell him about it, so he can fire the clerk. It helps everyone out if you can get a bad clerk fired, or post a "dont shop there" if they refuse to apologise. You never know, if it turns out to be the clerk it could become your favorite shop if the owner/manager is cool about it...

The early production ones have a problem and should be sent back to kel tec for a fix -- I do not know if its an official recall or just strongly suggested that you do so. They are hard to find, best bet is to buy one off the internet and ship it to your FFL. Plenty of folks have them, but you wont see any at a gun store or a show (in general) nor has it been out long enough for a lot of used ones to circulate.

I think you will like it. The only negative thing I can say about this gun is that its over-engineered, too many parts. It doesnt even justify the usual backhanded insult of "its great for the money". Its better than a lot of $500 guns. And, again, its hard to beat $8 a box ammo for anything but a .22 these days.

I also joined recently, and the NRA has since joined viagraRus, pillsnkanada.com, and a bunch of other sites on my spam filter. Someone needs to have a little chat with their folks about the junk mail and email. I thought it was bad BEFORE I joined, and now its 10x worse, funny in a not funny sort of way.

We follow the rules so as not to be arrested and stuff. The argument was lost when the law to have to have a HCP was made. We are not "ceding" it, we already lost it. All we can do now is work within the law while trying to change it.

Second time =) I have one, a 19C that was ported, and its still sorry excuse for a target pistol (this is not to say it is not fun, thats not related, its plenty of fun for rapid fire, noise making, defensive rang time, etc.). Its accurate enough, but the funny grip angle and obnoxious trigger pull make it less than desirable for target shooting. I also have a CZ82. And a different model 1911, but one is much like another on the cheaper side of those.

What do you want it for? Here is what I observe: the glock is very different from the other 2 guns. It has no safety nor external hammer, and has a very different look and feel, etc. Its a great choice for a carry gun, for defense, but it may not be your best choice for a range gun or for learning to shoot a pistol. The trigger pull takes some getting used to, and it will have a decent amount of kick (not really bad, but enough to make you have to aim between each shot unless you are very strong). The CZ is a well made, cheaply priced gun that shoots cheap ammo. Its accurate and is very like a minature 1911 in terms of style and feel. Its an excellent starter pistol, but a little under powered for defense IMHO (its about like a 380, and it will do the job, but its penetration is lower than the 9mm by a fair amount). This is one of your best choices for a non .22 caliber range gun, for learning to shoot or to hone your target practice skills. It has enough kick to be interesting without being brutal. The 1911 shoots an expensive round and will cost a bit more. They are too big to carry (FOR ME, just an opinion!) though many do carry them, and they tend to be low capacity (7-8 rounds). They are great shooters, one of the best gun designs of all time. Its a fine gun for defense if you don't mind the bulk and weight to carry it. Personally, if you are on a budget, skip the 1911 for now, come back to this when you have $750+ to spend on gun and ammo for it. If you are looking for a weapon for defense, get the glock (but given the other 2 styles you mentioned, you might consider a DA hammer based 9mm instead of the glock??). If you want a range gun for cheap, fun shooting, get the CZ. But those are just my opinions, you may decide you like the glock on the range and the CZ for defense, and thats fine, though a bit odd

Right, the bullet hole is just to get started. When locked down, if the gun is not making tight groups, nothing you do with the scope is going to help much, but definately shoot several rounds to fine tune it.

CZ-82 .... hands down. (detail that is. Field stripping is very simple.)

lock it in place, fire it once, center the crosshairs on the hole, repeat about 10 times. Being cheap, I just tie-wrap mine to something sturdy so it cannot move.

I want to try one, its good to see folks thinking and doing some design instead of the same 400 year old stuff over and over. I dunno why they think its special as far as putting your hand in front of the cylinder, you can't do that on anything else. I did that ONCE on my .44 mag. Never again....

Price and brand name do not make a quality gun. Cheap guns do not mean they are junk. There are cheap junky guns that no one with any sense would use, and there are expensive guns that no one with any sense would use. There is no correlation between them. You can shell out nearly a grand for a defensive, jamomatic .45 acp (a couple of the "good brands" have some bad small 45s) and you can pay $200 for a cz mil surplus gun that is rugged, reliable, accurate, etc. So yes, gun snobbery is bad. But that is fine, that leaves more for the rest of us. You go ahead and buy the high dollar stuff whether it works or not, and I will keep on judging each gun on its own merits, not its brand name, but based off how well the one in my hand actually works.

You may OWN that rifle that you inherited, at 18. Until then, its still yours, but you should not be out and about with it until you are of age, unless you have someone of age with you. Also, you can use it if you are with someone of age all you want: if you hunt however you must get a permit and so must the person you are with. If anyone asks, the gun is your parent's and you borrowed it for the day. All this info is as best as I understand it, but you don't want to get in trouble, so you really need to read up on the laws to see if you agree with what I said. The adult with you does not have to shoot, but should at least know the basic gun safety rules (as should you) and which end of the gun the bullet comes from. Be safe, be legal, and have fun =)

eventually you will save money. 1200 brass at 15$ a box is over $350 and would buy you a quality reloader, such as the rcbs or lyman starter kits (has everything you need to get started nearly). Reload that one time and you have more than 1/2 paid for the purchase. Reload the brass again and you are now saving money. The thing is time, though, reloading takes time and unless you enjoy it, you may prefer to just spend the money on ammo... I am about where you are. Soon as I have about $500 to sink into it (i plan to get dyes for several calibers, and that means several poweder types, primer types, etc so my setup will cost more than just .45 setup), I will be starting it.

Legal Resources You want to dig in here, hit the index, choose guns or firearms or whatever, then you are in for a WEEK of reading. Its all in there, somewhere, but its not easy to navigate or use. This link came from the TN.gov site, and is as official as I know how to provide. If I had time I would find the related sections, but I do not.

You can "pinkify" anything. Gunsmiths/shops can give you a banana yellow gun with orange flames, pink camo, purple elephants, and more if you are willing to spend the cash for the art work. Solid colors are usually reasonable, anything else gets pricy in a hurry. Also, you can buy pink grips for a LOT of guns, google that for whatever you pick. Point is, you can buy here a nice gun of any type and get it decorated however she likes it. What you really should do, in my opinion, is get her to shoot some stuff to see what she likes the feel of. Just tell her to try it, and you can special order it in pink. Let her pick out the gun based off what she wants to shoot, then spend the xtra money to get it pinked. The reason I say this is most of the pink girly guns off the shelf offer a very limited selection. About 3/4 of the autos are DAOs which I have trouble with, and my wife cannot even begin to pull some of those triggers. They tend to be wimpy calibers, at most 9mm and mostly 380s or smaller. By painting the gun she likes, you can get anything that exists, and have a much better chance of making her happy.

You can find a cheap gun and cheap scope in many of the listed calibers (unfortunately 308s tend to cost a bit, $500ish range in general). If you really want cheap and a quality piece, you can still get mil surplus bolt action guns that make fine deer rifles. Some of them will be aggravating to find ammo that is legal, ammo for some calibers is mostly FMJ which I think TN frowns upon for deerz. 243 is probably your best bet, in this case. There are many $300ish rifles in this caliber, leaving you plenty of cash to pick up a decent scope. And, its a popular round, no ammo problems.

Used, you can pick up a few. New?? Not so much. The cheapest thing I saw was $250 with a quick google, a commanche .357, and thats pre-tax and pre-fees so its going to be over $300 out the door. I didnt see anything for 195-225 range at all.

308 would be my choice for long range deer. I am not expert here, but the 308 standard loadout can take you a lot farther than 300 yards (closer to 1000, I am not sure exactly but its way on out there), so you could use a lighter load too, this is beyond my know-how but you could handload a nice custom round for your desired task. Also, its not just the round, its the gun, just like pistols --- some guns kick harder than others, some feel better than others, etc. No, I don't have a recommendation for a specific gun, pick them up, see how they feel, and get a heavier one rather than lighter. Apart from a newly acquired 30-30 , all my rifles are too old to tell someone else to go find one...

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Be prepared to spend some time on each gun, if you do not spend money to get a quality appraisal. Last year I spent some time doing this (ID firearms to determine value) and even with a blue book, sometimes its hard to tell which gun you have when there are 1500 variations of the same gun based off if it has round or square screws in the underside of the whatsit or walnut instead of rosewood grips or some other minor detail. Some of the harder guns took me (as a noob to doing this sort of thing) upwards of 2 weeks of research before I was convinced which model I had. A combination of a trusted dealer, a blue book, and auctions of similar items will get you a long way into the process. From there, if you think your gun is rare or superior or high-dollar, its worth the money to get an expert to tell you for sure. If you plan to sell them, you want to do everything you can to be sure of what you have. As a side note, in my research I would "contact the seller" of some of these guns to see if they had insight into that model. Most of them were willing to toss me an email back as to how they came about their price and value, and what marks etc. to look for based on their own research. Most gun folks are pretty friendly, if you ask nicely =).

This isnt mine, I am feeling lazy tonight, but its close enough for ya stainless:

Not me. Summer is too too hot here, and 1) you take off too much clothing and you get arrested and 2) if you take that much off, you get a sunburn to boot, or have to wear stinky, slimy/greasy lotion. In the winter, I can keep putting on more clothes all day, there is no legal limit, and even I have to work hard at it to get a burn. Granted, I could stand fall/spring all year long, but give me winter, even snow, over 100 degree heat anytime. The people up north do it by moving to florida, of course, but thats another story for another day.