Miranda rights for terrorists

[leroy]

Couldn't help but notice the quiet. Where's the outrage at this egregious breach of the doctrine of all men being covered by the right to the precious "Due Process" and the willingness to stand up in this forum to defend their rights? I'm convinced there was no trial prior to the perpetration of this heinous deed!! I thought that the Dems would stop all this stuff and make sure everyone got their day in court?? Oh well, at least no one was tortured -- they were simply blown up. We may need to dispatch John (I'm a veteran) Kerry and John Murtha to investigate this fully.

Kevin:_____________

Here's a news flash you may want to get to work on. It looks like the rights of some harmless pesants have been apparently violated by none other than President Oboma. Please follow this link for details: Suspected US missile strike kills five in Pakistan | International | Jerusalem Post

Regards,

LEROY

Regards again,

LEROY

[DaveTN]

I believe there are some VERY dangerous people out there who need to be dealt with...but I don't believe that "by any means necessary" is an appropriate response.

Knowing your stand no one should ask you to do it; we have people that can handle these types of situations.

We are a people where the majority is more than willing to execute American citizens even when they know some are innocent. Based on that I am going to say that most would be okay with the torturing of enemy combatants if it would stop incidents such as 9-11 or the bombing of our troops.

[Guest Dean_JC78]

One thing that I have always felt a bit odd about the torture debate (real torture that is) is the fact that we are talking about war. Where basicly we try and kill the other side while they attempt to kill us. Sometimes its from a great distance such as a plane, arty, or a bomb/mine planted and forgotten. Other times its at short range rifle range where you can see the enemy, sometimes enough to see their face clearly... and at other times in hand to hand combat where you not only see their face but can hear their voice, their groans, you can smell them and feel the grit on their clothes and skin as you kill them.

Each is violent, brutal, and in many cases at a pain level that most of us can not even comprehend. Yet we talk about tourture like it is some great evil upon the world while in war all sorts of other things go on that are much worse.

I certainly do not condone tourture for sport/fun or just to make people uncomfortable for the sake of it but rather that there is a time and a place for things in war. If there is a specific reason or goal for real torture such as so that others may live, I fully support whatever means need to be done given the perspectives of the situation.

We may be a civilized society but war really is hell and we must do things that are not easy or pleasent to win. Be it that you are the guy in the plane dropping a bomb or you draw a bead on somebodys head or you plunge a knife into their troat, none of that is pleseant or easy but must be done. When you get some scum that knows the location of your primary objective such as a target, a bomb, or a person of interest and if you fail many innocent people will die then you must do whatever it takes no matter how unpleasent it might be.

[leroy]

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Our character separates us from our enemies; not our laws.

Our laws ARE our character. They are a direct reflection of our principles. We define our own enemies by their laws and their sense of justice.

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Don't make the mistake of worshipping the law. Its made by man; and men can and are hijacked by other men.

You obviously aren't very familiar with Constitutionalism. What some call "civil rights" are actually more accurately called as "God given rights". The Constitution didn't give them to us, God did. I'm not worshiping the law, I am worshiping God BY following and acknowledging the law.

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murdering thugs

There are indeed murdering thugs all over the globe. And they are being and should be dealt with. We have them in America. And you know what? They have rights. People that are ultimately convicted of child molestation had a self evident right to a trial. If you were accused of child molestation, wouldnt you think it we be important to have a trial? I sure would. That being said, what gives you a self evident right to deny that to someone else? Aren't you a Christian?

Last edited by KevinM; 06-13-2009 at 10:54 AM..

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Originally Posted by leroy

Kevin:_____________

Here's a news flash you may want to get to work on. It looks like the rights of some harmless pesants have been apparently violated by none other than President Oboma. Please follow this link for details: Suspected US missile strike kills five in Pakistan | International | Jerusalem Post

Regards,

LEROY

Couldn't help but notice the quiet. Where's the outrage at this egregious breach of the doctrine of all men being covered by the right to the precious "Due Process" and the willingness to stand up in this forum to defend their rights? I'm convinced there was no trial prior to the perpetration of this heinous deed!! I thought that the Dems would stop all this stuff and make sure everyone got their day in court?? Oh well, at least no one was tortured -- they were simply blown up. We may need to dispatch John (I'm a veteran) Kerry and John Murtha to investigate this fully.

Regards again,

LEROY

Kevin:--- hello?!!:___________

Couldnt help but notice the quiet. I dont know much about the Constitution. How about educating me about this issue? It appears there is an egregious breach of the right to life that has been perpetrated on these poor pesants. Could it be that when actions like these are taken Repbulicans;, they are painted by the the rabidly partisan as an "attrocity" and "war crime" in order to stir up the foolish, the rabble, and those who hate this country to score political points (which is obscene and seditious); have now suddenly been declared "holy", right. and clean because because it is being directed by the Democrats?

I suspect that the latter is exactly the case. Please elucidate.

Food for thought.

LEROY

[Guest KevinM]

Leroy,

I am well aware that Obama is a warmonger pretending to be a dove. I am not a fan of Socialism, whether it be Bush's brand of it or Mr. Obama's...Your insinuation that I am a liberal/socialist who is willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt is far from accurate.

Kevin:--- hello?!!:___________

I'm here...but its Monday and I don't have much free time.

Edited June 15, 2009 by KevinM

[leroy]

Leroy,

I am well aware that Obama is a warmonger pretending to be a dove. I am not a fan of Socialism, whether it be Bush's brand of it or Mr. Obama's...Your insinuation that I am a liberal/socialist who is willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt is far from accurate.

I'm here...but its Monday and I don't have much free time.

Kevin:____________

Lets stir this hornet's nest up again and give me and some others a Father's Day treat. Dont worry about us thinking of you as a "liberal/Socialist". Some of us think you are simply childish in your outlook and incorrect in your, legal, logical, and christian ethical conclusions -- not to mention being a little "snippy".

So how about educating us old guys on the the latest attrocity in Pakistan. Here it is:

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Originally Posted by leroy

Kevin:_____________

Here's a news flash you may want to get to work on. It looks like the rights of some harmless pesants have been apparently violated by none other than President Oboma. Please follow this link for details: Suspected US missile strike kills five in Pakistan | International | Jerusalem Post

Regards,

LEROY

kevin:

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Don't make the mistake of worshipping the law. Its made by man; and men can and are hijacked by other men.

You obviously aren't very familiar with Constitutionalism. What some call "civil rights" are actually more accurately called as "God given rights". The Constitution didn't give them to us, God did. I'm not worshiping the law, I am worshiping God BY following and acknowledging the law.

kevin:

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murdering thugs

There are indeed murdering thugs all over the globe. And they are being and should be dealt with. We have them in America. And you know what? They have rights.(how about linking this to the thugs we are at war with -- LEROY) People that are ultimately convicted of child molestation had a self evident right to a trial. If you were accused of child molestation, wouldnt you think it we be important to have a trial? I sure would. That being said, what gives you a self evident right to deny that to someone else? Aren't you a Christian?

Last edited by KevinM; 06-13-2009 at 10:54 AM..

I am just an ignorant old man. How about explaining why these guys didnt get a trial or get "mirandized" and why they needed to be? If they didn't need to be; just feel free to say so. I wont rag you too bad. We need to get this settled before the link goes dead.

Dont get me wrong; I'm glad they are gone -- its a great day for america and for me personally when these thugs are in the grave; but I need a constutional law and christian education on this incident. Please help me out.

Kind regards,

LEROY

ps -- you might want to work on them manners a little bit -- dont be so snippy and loose with the scarcasm. Didn't your mom talk to you about that when you were a little boy? Tisk Tisk