Play Gun Shop Salesman

[The Rabbi]

OK, sometimes you are just out of options.

I have a customer interested in a full size, hi cap (i.e. more than 8 rounds) .45acp pistol. Carry isn't an issue. Price isn't much of an issue.

He doesn't like the Smith M&P--looks.

Doesn't like the Springfield--grip safety.

Doesn't like the Paraordnance--some reason or other

Is leaning towards the H&K, which is about my last choice in a gun.

Already has a SIG P220.

I might try pitching the full sized Glock in .45 or even 10mm.

Any choices I am forgetting here?

[creeky]

Just curious... why is an H&K "about your last choice in a gun"?

[Guest gcrookston]

Based on the criteria your customer has set out, it appears the HK USP is the gun. I had a P220 for years and loved it, but after getting the USP Tactical, I really didn't need the 220 any more.

The full size USP is available with a variety of options including ambi safety, sights, a choice of trigger configerations (I prefer Match with the adjustable trigger stop). The 12+1 capacity is a plus. The ambi mag release is a big plus for me, as I'm left handed. The guns are rugged and extremely accurate.

[The Rabbi]

Just curious... why is an H&K "about your last choice in a gun"?

I would answer honestly but dont want to start a flame war.

Let me just say that overall my impression has been that they are not a value proposition for the consumer.

[SkWaShDeM]

The new polymer Taurus. The 24/7 is it?

[Guest EasilyObsessed]

CZ 97B

Baby Eagle

[Bigiron]

Bersa UC .45?

[molonlabetn]

What about a 10rd extended magazine for his P220? If concealment isn't an issue...

[Guest DrBoomBoom]

Another vote for the CZ97B.

[The Rabbi]

Another vote for the CZ97B.

Steelharp had one. It was the biggest, heaviest gun I've probably held that wasn't made by IMI. I'll pitch it though. It is accurate with good trigger and recoil is minimal.

[molonlabetn]

Disliking the M&P solely based on it's looks is pretty weak... It would probably be the best value he could find in a double-stack .45.

The Taurus 24/7 or PT145 would be another option (though the Mil-Pro isn't a fullsize gun)

[Guest triggertime]

Buying a handgun based on its looks is like buying a car just because it looks cool. There are more important things, like handling, performance and reliability. Tell that to your 'friend'.

[The Rabbi]

Disliking the M&P solely based on it's looks is pretty weak... It would probably be the best value he could find in a double-stack .45.

Agreed 100%. But I can't choose my customers' likes and dislikes. I can only cater to them. That is my job.

[molonlabetn]

Agreed 100%. But I can't choose my customers' likes and dislikes. I can only cater to them. That is my job.

Maybe he'd like a pair of S&W 625s? That's 12 rounds between them...

[Guest ricks]

full size

hi cap (8+ rounds)

.45acp pistol.

how bout a beretta cougar 8045? .45ACP, 8+1, full size, rotary barrel, straight forward disassembly/cleaning.

or the new offering, beretta px4 storm .45 .45acp, 10+1, full size, rotating barrel.

[molonlabetn]

...or the new offering, beretta px4 storm .45 .45acp, 10+1, full size, rotating barrel.

I am very interested to see this one come out... expecially if offered with their new 'constant action' trigger setup (slick-slide without decocker/safety, precocked hammer akin to the H&K LEM).

I'd give one of those a serious look, myself.

Any word on their release?

[dunndw]

Full size HK USP

Glock 21

Glock21SF

Glock 30

1911 with 10 round Wilson mags

[Guest ricks]

molonlabetn

The PX4 sub compact is what i'm waiting for. With the smaller platform I don't think they have the rotating barrel, but the SC is "slated" to start showing up 08 Q1 in 9 and 40, and Q3 in 45. For Full size, Q3 for 45 is what I hear although it is on their website so I initially thought they were already out. [www.px4storm.com] Maybe Rabbi knows more?

Beretta delivery times are notoriously late though, and these times are already about 6 months late. I fear they've already lost the polymer and SC market . The SC is showing up in mag reviews though, so that's a good sign.

[Guest RobTN]

Bul M-5

[doughnut]

Based on the criteria, I'd say G21 or G21SF. I'm a P220 worshiper and a previous HK45 owner, but I was looking to buy a hi-cap .45 it would be the G21 series.

[Guest SUNTZU]

Now you've started it doughnut. LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!

[doughnut]

lol, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to start anything. I was just saying that, in my opinion, I'd go with the G21 because I like it. I also like the USP .45 but personally the G21 shoots better, for me. That having been said, I'm a 220 guy and when I need high cap I pop in a 10 round extended mag!

[Guest triggertime]

I was just saying that, in my opinion, I'd go with the G21 because I like it. I also like the USP .45 but personally the G21 shoots better, for me.

The reason the G21 shoots better, is because the triggers on HK products leave alot to be desired.

[Guest ricks]

px4 storm .45acp:

http://www.berettausa.com/product/spotlight/4_%20of%20spotlight_pistol_px4stormpistol45.cfm

and my next purchase:

http://www.berettausa.com/product/spotlight/5_of%20spotlight_pistol_subcompact.cfm

[Guest price g]

21SF?