Marswolf

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SomeGuy, how many people on average come to one of your meetings?

I think Morristown TFA makes it plain that anyone is welcome to attend the meeting. But there is a difference in being a TFA group what does other stuff vs. a gun group that also has TFA members. I'd much rather be a member of the latter, although I'd probably join TFA too.

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I suspect you would get a lot more people showing up if they didn't feel they needed to pay TFA dues. I suggest you do what I did several years ago. Go to some gun shops and ask the proprietors and customers what they think of TFA. I think you will get a lot of blank stares. Even the owners didn't know much about it. One of the few comments I got was that the TFA "is a lawyer in Nashville who takes your money." Whether that is a fair assessment or not, I'm not prepared to say. I have commented before about Harris several years ago not even having time to have a state convention. I think a Tri-cities gun owners group would produce a lot of grassroots support politically while not being a strictly political organization.

We had a local guy who tried to start a TFA chapter that met at Unaka R&G. Bad location and I don't think he had the commitment to get it going. It does take time. If you don't think you will have the time, I'd wait until you do. If something does get going, it needs to be at a restaurant as far as I'm concerned. It also needs to be monthly. People mark their calendars for monthly meetings. They forget about quarterly ones. Morristown has a group that meets monthly. You might talk to them. Personally, I'd rather just have a Tri-Cities gun owners organization and let the TFA folks meet with us if they liked. If I had time, that's what I would do.

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I've heard good things about reloading Speer Gold Dots, but I've never reloaded 9mm. Chem, I've never even thought about them making Black Talons in 10mm. I'd say those are quite a rarity and worth quite a bit as a collectible.

Uh oh.... Hi Chem! Don't let him fool you. He not only likes 10mm, but also Glocks.

I have two of them. With one in the car trunk, you can survive for years.

Love it....

Oh wow. I'm looking forward to the doomsday device!

OK Randy. Thanks. Thought you might have been a combat vet.

Nice to hear this.

Hey Randy, what did you do in the military?

Pretty much what I expected. Guess folks will just have to continue carrying illegally.

The trigger pull is adjustable by changing a couple of springs. Standard pull is 4.5#. This felt heavier. May have been modified by the original user.

I had a break in what I was doing at the VA in Johnson City yesterday, so had time to run down to Jonesborough to see an old friend and hit a couple of gun shops. Crowder's, as usual, is "getting in a P2000 - tomorrow".... Tim is always getting in what you want - tomorrow. But Byrd's had a used P2000 I could play with. They have an excellent selection of H&Ks as well as other brands. Obviously the gun is designed as an updated and safe version of a Glock-like handgun for the LE market. Compared to a Glock, it has a fully supported chamber, much better rail support and construction (much of it hidden by the polymer frame), and gets rid of the weird, in my experience, Austrian ergonomics. (Your mileage may differ ) It also has a hammer that doesn't scare the peasants by being obviously cocked until it is needed. A big selling point for Gaston's guns. That makes it a gun LE honchos and their PR department's should be able to live with. It does NOT have to be dry-fired to field strip which prevents ND problems. It also has the long-throw initial trigger action that should pretty much eliminate the Glock type AD problem (Glock leg/Glock Butt). The trigger action was a bit different than I expected. Again, this was an older gun, without a de-cocker, and I suspect the trigger action has been tweaked some in current guns. The long throw on the trigger's initial pull phase that cocks the trigger felt like more than the 2# in current specifications. Regardless of the force required, the pull cocked the hammer fully and came to an obvious stopping point just before hammer release. I liked that. As usual with H&K, there was no question about when the hammer would release. I had to manually rack the slide, since I wasn't actually firing, but found trigger reset to be short and clearly defined. This is a really nice feature. Once fired, the DA / re-strike mode was pretty horrible. Felt more like a 50 pound trigger pull than the specified 11.47 lbs. Again, I suspect the current production may feel better. Regardless, it's nice to have double-strike capability. I've used some ammunition that needed that. Just pulling the trigger in the shop felt odd. I'm used to USP and Beretta SA/DA triggers. I've learned over the years to not judge a gun by dry firing in a shop. The P7M8 feels really odd and clunky when dry-fired. Get it on the range and it is very natural. So, I'll have to reserve my conclusions on the P2000 action until I get a chance to shoot one. It is different than my USP. Not worse, just different. Certainly a handgun I'll seriously consider if I decide to go to the steroidal 9mm - 357 SIG round for non-field use. Prices on the P2000 seem to be in the $650 - low $700s range, depending on how much they want to make a sale. As you can figure out, I think H&Ks are well worth the extra cost. After a lot of gun trading, I've ended up keeping the H&Ks.

I have a vest left over from Vietnam that I'll let you have cheap.

Welcome to the forums!

OK, Mike. Thanks for clearing that up.

Now, that's neat.

But I just bought a super-soaker....

Thanks but I can easily make my own Thermite. Could always use a spare doomsday device though.

PM on the way. Thanks. If you have any spare C-4 you can include that.