E4 No More

Personally, I think that the smartest thing the liberals have done was to convince people that being a liberal was cool and smart.

[quote name='maroonandwhite' timestamp='1352398909' post='841899'] Well that's not very nice... [/quote]You think he should have received a hug from Stick1 instead?

This is why I laugh at people who call Fox News "Faux News" even on this forum.

[quote name='PapaB' timestamp='1352385312' post='841749'] And the worse news, according to the United States Constitution; Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 He (the President) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; Article 6, Section 2 This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. Notice that under Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 he only needs two thirds of the Senators [b]present[/b] to concur. Any ideas on what to do if this happens? SCOTUS wouldn't help, even the conservatives on the bench would have to uphold it, barring any technical errors. [/quote]Well, it says "...the judges in every STATE...." The SC isn't a state judiciary.

[quote name='OhShoot' timestamp='1352325366' post='841353'] Sadly hilarious statement. I guess the GOP needs get rid of dem wimmen and blacks? - OS [/quote]Naw, they're the smart ones!

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352324489' post='841338'] Sorry to all you 40-somethings and younger...my generation really screwed you over big time. [/quote]I disagree: King Ding-a-ling got the vote of women, blacks, and illegals. Without them Romney would have been president elect.

[quote name='ThePunisher' timestamp='1352324196' post='841330'] Nobody will do that because the Libtards will accuse us of being racist, intolerant, ignorant, uncivilized, and extreme right wingers who cling to their bibles and guns. [/quote]We already get accused to that, we couldn't be accused of clinging to our ammo!

Maybe we should riot?

[quote name='CZ9MM' timestamp='1352319441' post='841262'] You apparently never ate public lunch at school. The government actually considers it a vegetable. [/quote]That's funny right there!

[quote name='razorback2003' timestamp='1352320952' post='841284'] I can think of two accomplishments for Obama: Obamacare and having Bin Laden killed. Obamacare was passed with a Dem Majority house and Senate. Other than that, the economy has not improved, house values are low in many places, people have had to take many steps down in salary if they can get work, and Obama has not pulled the troops out of the Middle East. The economy and Mid East wars were blamed on Bush and Obama had four years to fix it and hasn't. He is just a Jimmy Carter on Steroids. [/quote]My health insurance has already gone drastically up with my major employer citing Obamacare as the reason. I don't consider that an accomplishment.

[quote name='Daniel' timestamp='1352317878' post='841248'] Soldiers do. [/quote]I remember the Marines in Beruit going on patrols with unloaded rifles in 1983.

[quote name='kesava' timestamp='1352318733' post='841253'] You're a very sad example of an individual to assume that I can't articulate myself or support my stance because my response wasn't within the time frame your expected. [color=#ff0000]I would challenge you in a game of wit, but clearly you're unarmed.[/color] [/quote]Although this wasn't aimed at me it's kind of the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it? Anyway, I hope unemployment and poverty are what you get for your vote. As an independent, middle class voter, Obama's done NOTHING for me - which makes me want to barf every time he claims to be working for the middle class - and I can't see how any moron can pay almost twice as much for a gallon of gas, pay higher utility bills, pay higher food bills, and pay higher health insurance rates and think they're the same or better off as they were four years ago. It's mind-bogglingly stupid!

[quote name='LINKS2K' timestamp='1352309687' post='841087'] I'm always wrong, but so were Mitt's tactics. [/quote]Yeah, I didn't like Mitt's approach either. I have yet to meet an aggressive Morman, and he turned out to be just as bad as McCain in 2008. Taking the high road is one thing, but appearing too weak is bad too.

[quote name='LINKS2K' timestamp='1352308232' post='841071'] Robert, I can't fight with you guys for the next four years. Obama didn't win a great victory last night, but he won because even with the bad leadership and poor economy people are tired of the scare tactics. There are actually some adults out there that want real straight talk about the big issues. The voters know that things are bad under Obama, but crazy talk, scare tactics and clicking your heels are not a solution. So,what do you do? As I mentioned in another thread, the demographics of the country are going to continue to change. If the GOP remains the party of the angry old white man it is DOOMED. [/quote] Umm, scare & smear tactics are what got Obama re-elected. He had no record to run on, so it appears that you are wrong.

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352303660' post='841024'] Not forgetting. Do you think the GOP is just gonna lay down and let the court go full commie? [/quote]If they act in a pure obstructionist mode then the next election will be even more damaging. Besides, Alexander broke once so he'll do it again.

[quote name='TrickyNicky' timestamp='1352298549' post='840972'] I think it's been gone over in another thread but I'm pretty sure all the combined third party votes would have made absolutely no difference in their respective states even assuming that Romney had gotten the lot of them. There are plenty of people who made this happen but the third party voters aren't them. [/quote]I disagree. I wasn't talking to just 3rd party. There are plenty of eligible voters who do NOT vote. The last "report" I heard is that 60% of eligible voters do not vote.

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352263015' post='840760'] The senate can filibuster an appointment. [/quote]I think that you are forgetting about the likes of Alexander & Corker.

[quote name='Steelharp' timestamp='1352298101' post='840965'] Ladies and gentlemen, we have a bingo. [/quote]No kidding! I hope the people who didn't vote, or who cast a protest vote, are happy with the consequences...NOT!

[quote name='rebeldrummer' timestamp='1352229448' post='840167'] there is another thread about this already not being rude...but you might consider a quick search next time [/quote]i did search, but thanks for playing.

[quote name='OhShoot' timestamp='1352238185' post='840318'] I don't know if any still have statutes on the book, but the Supreme Court ruled in 2011 that taping public interactions with police is a right protected under the 1A. Not researching it, bu I think it was was maybe Boston and somewhere in Michigan wound up paying substantial damages for arresting someone for it, too. - OS [/quote]I seem to recall that too...as long as they weren't hindering & interfering.

[quote name='OhShoot' timestamp='1352234871' post='840271'] My understanding is that federal law only requires consent of one of the parties (ie yourself), as far as phone conversation. 10 or 12 states require all party notification -- but TN is not one of them. - OS [/quote]This, otherwise the dash cams on the police cars would be illegal.

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352229321' post='840164'] May not be legal to secure his weapon any other way (in that state)? Didn't the guy refuse to let the cop take control of his weapon? [/quote]Don't know, but thought it worth the asking. When I was a cop there was no HCP or equivalent in Missouri, but one could open carry all they wanted. I wouldn't have reacted that way; just instructed the fellow to make no sudden movements towards the gun. My gun hand would be sitting on my weapon too.

[url="http://news.msn.com/us/deadly-shooting-reported-at-calif-business"]http://news.msn.com/us/deadly-shooting-reported-at-calif-business[/url] Of course we'll see more calls for gun control.

[quote name='piercedan' timestamp='1352228484' post='840153'] When I am stopped on a rare occasion, I am always courteous and professional. I say sir a lot, keep my hands visible, have my information ready, never make fast or unexpected movements, and I hand my HCP to the office along with my license. Usually I get respect back from the officer. That being said, I've run into some a holes. I've had my rights violated. A couple of years ago, I was coming down I40 between Memphis and Jackson, heading toward Nashville. It was early in the morning, about 4:30 or so. I came through the usual "trap" area around mile marker 25. Although the speedometer said 68, I figured I'd be okay with the limit being 65. I was wrong. The white SUV pulled me over and the officer came to the passenger side. We exchanged the usual conversation on why I was stopped, speed along with window tint (they weren't tinted at all). While we were talking, he kept looking at the large boxes in the back seat. He said that he would not cite me for the speed, but then asked if I would consent to a search of my vehicle. I politely said no. He then said he would run his K9 around the outside. He got me out and had me stand behind the vehicle with another officer. Now, I spent eight years in law enforcement. I've had several K9 handlers as friends. I've helped with their training scenarios, caught dogs with sleeves, and know the procedure for presenting an area for the dog to inspect. I also know about rewards and when they are given. I watched the dog. He never alerted. He never showed interest. When he was done, the officer returned him to the vehicle with no reward. He then returned and told me the dog had alerted. I looked at him in amazement and he said, "You didn't see him trying to tear the door off the car?". I said no, because he hadn't. I knew what was going on at that point. This officer wanted to look in those boxes. He was prepared to violate my rights to do it, and he did. Of course, the boxes had parts for ultrasound systems that I had been working on. When he was done, my suitcase was ransacked, the boxes were unpacked and disheveled, and I had been violated and detained for 30 minutes for no reason. This guy was a bad cop who was prepared to wipe his feet on the constitution. I was powerless and felt betrayed. This is why I don't trust law enforcement automatically. This is why I will not consent to a search and will not volunteer any information other than what I am required to do. There are too many of these guys mixed in with the good cops to let my guard down. Call me cynical, but it seems to be getting worse. We seem to be militarizing out law enforcement at an alarming rate. [/quote] You know, now days for about $300 you can purchase a GPS audio/video recorder that records a couple of hours to a card for such encounters. It records both directions.

Personally, I'd like to know the legality of placing someone in handcuffs without ANY probable cause of them committing a crime. In my day as a LEO it would be considered a violation of their civil rights. Being an asshat is not necessarily a crime. Contempt of cop is also not a crime.