E4 No More

So was the flintlock, sword, bow & arrow, crossbolt, etc.

The problem is that they do not believe there is a creator unless it's convenient. Heck! Some people on this very forum think that way.

Since he's guilty of straw purchases of guns, (and we know THIS administration won't prosecute him), I'm curious if the next one can/will prosecute him? Anyone know the statute of limitations on straw purchases?

"Pre-order sale"???

My doctor can ask me anything he/she likes, but that doesn't mean that I'm required to answer it.   On another note, there is such a thing as doctor/patient confidentiality, and I doubt that any reporting from these questions would stand up to a legal challenge or litigation.

$2,000 tax credit does NOT equal $2,000 in your pocket, correct? It's $2,000 off your taxable income thus lowering how much you pay in taxes, right?

being asked to leave is NOT the same thing as controlling what you say. I can say whatever the heck I want as long as it's not disturbing the peace. They can tell me to leave and I can say whatever I want as I leave. The only one that can order you to shut up is a judge, and that is unconstitutional.

Scary? Those retards elect them.

For the life of me I don't understand why anyone would accept the opinion of a professional liar. :shrug:

Part of me wants to respond with, "Bring it, Bit@h!" but another part of me just shakes his head. :shake:

Someone should send them to Schumer and Feinswine among others

Considering the environment, not supplying federal funds to accomplish the "law" is the same thing as taking the teeth out of said law without saying "I ain't gonna do it!"

I got a VERY rapid response from my senator shown below. It took all of 9 minutes to get a reply!   Yesterday I co-sponsored legislation in the Senate that would prohibit any state funds or personnel from being used in any kind of federal, gun-confiscation program.  Thank you for your support and your concern.   Senator Bill Ketron Republican Caucus Chairman Tennessee State Senate•District 13 5 Legislative Plaza Nashville, TN 37243 P: (615) 741-6853 F: (615) 253-0282 sen.bill.ketron@capitol.tn.gov   From: Steve Jewell [mailto:SWJewellTN@Comcast.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:28 AM To: joecarr48@gmail.com Cc: Mike Sparks; Bill Ketron Subject: Washington's Potentially Unconstitutional Gun Laws.   Representative Carr:   It is my understanding that you are looking to file a bill that would state that the state of Tennessee will not enforce any new unconstitutional gun laws coming out of Washington. I want to tell you that I’d support said action. My representative and senator are copied as well so that they know where I stand on the matter too.

I emailed him and copied my representative and senator.

1. You already have given up control of your property. The government has controlled our property for many decades now.   2. I was just illustrating why many employers fear guns in cars.   Also, no business owner has given a reasonable argument as to why their property rights override the property rights of the employee. We have the right to free speach, but we don't have the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater, for instance. There's also the fact that the vast majority of businesses do not own their property; banks and financing agencies own it. Even fortune 50 companies right here in Nashville lease their property rather than own it. They do this for the tax breaks.   EDIT: I will add that I was once a small business owner, and as such I still considered the employee's vehicle to be their property; not mine, and as long as what was in their vehicle parked on "my" property was legal I didn't concern myself with it. I never even considered searching their car or person because that is what the LEO's are for. Hiring employees is not a favor to them, (as some on this forum clearly believe); it was a favor to myself because the employee freed me to do other things that generated income. I would not have hired an employee that I did not need, and if they did not fulfill that need then they were gone to be replaced by someone who would fulfill it.

Does anyone remember what happened to the politicians who voted for the last AWB??? You can bet the ones that are there now remember.

The problem here is that, believe it or not, people forget what they have in their hand when they are approached from behind, and sometimes from the front. Long story short, a guy tried to break into my in-law's house when my SIL and BIL were there watching my kids. When my wife and I arrived the guy, (high on drugs), was throwing his body into the door. I backed him away from the door and told my wife to call the police, but she got her father's 1911A1 instead. The next thing I know I see her pointing it at him via my peripheral vision, and I told her to put it away. She simply handed it to my BIL, and when they arrived their focus was on my BIL instead of the bad guy. They drew on him and ordered him to drop the weapon. He didn't register what he was holding, and could have easily been shot. Fortunately, I knew one of the officers and told him who the threat was. It could have ended much worse.

"First off let me state I have no problem with my employees carrying." - I know; I saw that you said that earlier. It's kind of hard to discuss this topic on a gun forum because we are kind of "preaching to the choir" so to speak.   Trust? Therein lies a big part of the issue, but not all. The vast majority of employers do not trust their employees for various reasons of which some are quite justified. For instance, employees steal more from a business than customers. Some of the causality is brought on from the employer their self. You sort of hinted at the root of it earlier when you said that it's your way or the highway at the business. What if your way is being a complete A-hole to your employees? Yes, you'll argue the "they can just find another job" cop-out that is frequently cited by several others on this forum, but life doesn't work that way. Some people feel trapped by an employer because of various real or imagined circumstances.   When I was much younger trying to support my wife and three kids pouring concrete foundations I worked for an employer who thought that paying people to do a job entitled him to treat them nearly as slaves. With me being the exception, he employed people that have seen the wrong side of a jail house door. He would come on the job site calling us every name in the book and constantly threatening us. He worked us 60-70 hours a week without paying overtime and only allowed a half hour break each day. You didn't dare stop to take a leak or a drink of water when he was on the site unless it was during that half hour break, and it didn't matter if it was 100 degrees with 95% relative humidity at the time. I imagine that fellow wouldn't want guns anywhere around the job in the event that he pissed-off the wrong person.   My wife worked in an extremely hostile work environment for 9.5 years at Ingram Entertainment in LaVergne. My wife is really passive, (unless you threaten her children), so she dealt with it: however, there was one woman who worked there who cracked. She brought-in a large butcher's knife for "cutting her lunch" but was overheard mumbling to herself that she was going to kill one of the female bosses, (the VP of credit), that facilitated/contributed to the hostile work environment. Fortunately, they got her out of the building before she did anything, but I'm sure that employer wouldn't want guns in the parking lot either. Fortunately for my wife they laid her off, and it wasn't until she got a job elsewhere that she realized just how hostile and stressful the old employer was.   "Bad boss" stories are extremely common, and I would argue that many corporations know who they are and allow them to continue because they think that said bosses are productive, or that they "leave their managers free to manage" and thus wash their hands of it. In my wife's case the latter is the tact that the owner of Ingram Entertainment used when he was made aware of the situation. Anyway, I'm sure that they don't "trust" their employees either.

Now it's 28 dead instead of 26? He's not the only one...Feinstain said 27 IIRC.

You have to hang-up a handicap sign, don't you? I am legally handicapped, but let's say that I wasn't handicapped and didn't want wheelchairs on my property. How do you think that'd fly?

I hope you don't ever want something like nitroglycerin or methamphetamine on your property.   Let's have a hypothetical here: If you didn't want guns on your business and wanted to exercise a search of an employee's vehicle, are your going to apply that to your customers too?

As I said, what a law-abiding employee has in their car should be the least of your worries.

Apparently you haven't kept up with the thousands of regulations Oblamo's administration has decreed just in the last few months. A law abiding employee's property in thier locked car should be the least of your concerns...unless you treat your employess like crap - which is what I think really drives this debate the most. And no, I'm not saying that you, in particular, treat your employees like crap, but I have seen many employers who do precisely that, and who should be afraid of who they screw over.

The government does tell you what you can and cannot have on your property. They call them zoning laws among other things. They even tell you if you can own your property with eminent domain laws. :shrug:

Good points!