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I think this thread has discovered the secret of Eternal Life on this earth.

I went to my favorite mag supplier last night, www.44mag.com, and discovered that my favorite G.I. 30 round mags are being discontinued. That's the NHMTG 30 round 5.56mm mag with MagPul follower. They only have 100+ left for individual purchase but still have them in case lots.    Price for less than ten is $12.99 each, 10 or more knocks off .50 per mag. Lots of 100 knocks off a buck.   https://www.44mag.com/product/nhmtg_magazine_magpul_follower/223_ar15_magazines   https://www.44mag.com/product/case-nhmtg-ar15-magazines/223_ar15_magazines   https://www.44mag.com/product/1294/223_ar15_magazines   FWIW   EssOne

The TriStar Canik pistols are first rate. This one has a "make offer" flag on it, which means you can prolly get it down enough to help defray FFL fees. Shipping is free. I have two of their compacts and they are first rate - comes with two MecGar mags and the factory CZ 75 mags work in it just fine. Really worth a look. (These are designed very closely after the CZ line of pistols.)   http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_1860/products_id/85182/TriStar+85040+L-120+Pistol+9mm+4.7%22+17%2B1+Blk+Poly+Grip+Blued   Here is a good review of the compact version of this pistol:   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/85992-canik55-tristar-c100/

  This still stands.

I guess there's still some class left in this country after all. Nice going to all. Very heart warming.

C'mon down, neighbor. Love to have you.

Ever kissed the TCA's before? Read this and you will for sure. And if it tempts you to buy an escapee from California a beer, you've committed a true act of mercy and made a friend for life. I suspect the guys from the Northeastern liberal states have to put up with the same garbage. BEERS ALL AROUND!!   http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

If it pleases you it's worth it. Since the CZ is such a superlative line of pistols, I can't see how an improvement done by a dedicated CZ custom shop could help but make it a dream. I have a number of fellow CZ addicts who have had extensive work done on their guns by www.czcustom.com and they do outstanding work. I'm stuck financially with a stodgy ol' CZ 85B and it pleases me immensely without any mods. Go from there.

Yessir! CZ don't make no junk. Love those big wide fixed sights!

I think this thread has far exceeded any good that may be derived from it by constantly restating the same themes and contentions. So I think I'll pursue the rarest of activities and go talk about guns. I'm done here.

Under no circumstances does the definition of reasonable cause or probable cause impede the officer's authority to use his own judgement in defending himself when he believes it necessary. Whether anyone likes it or not, officers have discretion to act to protect themselves according to the dictates of circumstances without having to operate with the strict letter of some standardized legal definition. Sorry, you can't put cops in that particular bottle. It just won't wash.

And the flagellation of the expired Equus ferus caballus continues unabated.

Don't sweat it. The Tennessee HCP class has only two requirements for successful completion:   1. A pulse.   2. The ability to hit a barn from the inside with all the doors closed.   You'll do fine. I'm a transplanted Californio and they haven't run me out of the state (yet), so get ready to enjoy yourself immensely.

Welcome Mister Jones. Here "Hi All" gets turned into "Hey Y'all."  and you're probably gonna get accused of having a "New Jersey" accent, like a good friend of mine who moved here from Boston did.   :rofl:  What part of Tennessee are you moving to, if I may ask? 

I was a member there for four years and it's a first rate club. If you don't get any results here, why don't you call Mahoney's and see if anyone there can help you. Some club officials used to work there.

Yeah, I've been lucky that way. I lose a lot of foot races to fire plugs, but I'm still 20/20 up top.

A bud and I went up to the range today to do some AR target shooting. I was using a new Palmetto pencil barrel build and my friend was using a Bushy M4gery, both with iron sights. We were both using common 55 grain ammo.   We had zeroed both rifles last time so we started right in on the yellow steel plate dingers at 100 to 200 yards, sitting at the bench but shooting off of our elbows. Ringing the dingers with great regularity, I got cocky and moved on to the 300 yard dingers. Well Shazam I was just dingin' heck out of them, so I decided to stretch myself a little farther and shoot at a much smaller yellow dinger out in the puckerbrush to the side of the main dingers. I had no idea why the club had put it out in the bushes like that, but I wanted to give it a go anyway.   I hunkered down and gave it my best squeeze with the sights dead center in the middle of it - and missed it clean. Couldn't believe it! So I rehunkered, reaimed, resquoze, and missed it again. Dang!!! Five times in a row I gave it my best shot, literally, and missed it slicker'n heck every durn time. So I turned to my friend and told him what was going on. He picked up his binocs and spied the dinger I was missing so bad and said: "Are you shooting at the small yellow dinger about 20 yards to the right of the main dingers at 300 yards? The one out in the bushes?" "Yessir, that's the one." I replied.   Lowering his binocs and looking at me with a sad grin, he said: "Jer, your dinger is a bunch of yellow flowers. You're shooting hell out of a beautiful yellow bouquet."   OK, so I left my binocs at home. What of it?   :rant:  :rofl:

Yes, it really happened. Probably one of the funniest books that could ever be written would be one that told of all the true stuff like this that happens in police work.

  I will agree that it is wrong for any officer to revert to this argument early on in any discussion, and should reserve it for the hard cases like the ones I'll talk about below. In all honesty though, I would advise citizens to understand that without that background they could totally misunderstand what is going on and to look before they leap. Here's what I mean.   A number of years ago a man killed another man with a hunting knife and took off running up a steep hill on a state highway. One of our officers saw him and cut off his escape with the police car. As was custom in those days, the officer spread eagled the killer with his hands spread out on the trunk and his feet spread wide also. The officer then frisked the man with one hand while holding his service weapon on him with the other. A few minutes later an irate woman went busting into the nearby state police facility demanding to see the Commanding Officer. When the Captain came out to talk to her, she greeted him with an irate demand to know what the hell a state police officer was doing forcing an innocent citizen to push his police car up a hill at gunpoint. That actually happened in the Newhall CHP Area in 1967.   As this story illustrates in a bit of an exaggerated fashion, there is a great deal the citizen cannot understand about the actions of policemen unless he has been a cop or unless he has a cop friend or even an officer's supervisor explain it to him. Citizens, even the most well educated and observant ones, have no background in voluminous and complicated police procedures, policies, enforcement tactics, training doctrine, and least of all, case law. A lot of the criticism of officers expressed on internet gun forums is based on a lack of knowledge about many of the things needed to formulate an informed opinion. That plus an angry determination to charge ahead full speed without them. Most of us cops understand that and allow for it in dealing with public criticism. We do our level best to explain why something was done by an officer the way it was. I spent a lifetime as a police supervisor explaining such things to irate citizens. But when some of the people involved in these discussions, regardless of thoughtful and time-consuming explanations offered by officers, insist on pontificating about officers' actions, always in a critical vein, and basing accusations of incompetence/malfeasance on supposition involving no knowledge of any of the things mentioned above, and often on nothing more than having passed the written exam for an HCP, there's really nothing left to tell them but to go try it from behind the badge. In those extreme cases there isn't enough bandwidth on the internet to offer them an explanation they will accept - they always know better, insist on making uninformed statements they are not qualified to make, and not even the most thoughtful explanation from an officer or supervisor will dissuade them from such pontifications. That's when I consider it proper to tell someone to go get some training or study some law, or try it as a cop.  There's just nothing else left to tell them.

Welcome from the Tri Cities of upper East Tennessee. There are gun clubs everywhere here, so don't be bashful about looking one up. Glad to have you.

I have no definition of "reasonable belief," but there is a standard definition of "reasonable cause" or "probable cause" used in police academies and law schools. It is: "that set of circumstances that would lead a man of ordinary reason and prudence to entertain a strong suspicion that a crime has been committed."   I suspect that "reasonable belief" is similarly defined.  Hope this helps.

Yep. Crummy situation #14B. Thanks for the answer.

in the last few years Bushmaster AR's have taken a goodly whoopin' on a lot of forums. But what are they like now after all the moves, buyouts, and turmoil they've gone through in the last ten years. Are they still having quality problems or have they worked their way through them? Their prices sure seem to be up there. Any observations?

The story I'm getting now from a friend who talked to a WM Sporting Goods Department Manager in the Camden store is that this is just an inventory reduction and that WM isn't actually getting out of the black rifle business. My friend got a Colt LE6920 for $688 + tax and background check. The friend that went with him also bought one. A nephew went to a WM store in Bristol, TN yesterday, 400+ miles east of the Camden store, and found a thousand dollar Bushmaster reduced to $750, and found many accessories reduced to half price or less. So I guess all the initial reports were spot-on.

Can a motorcycle rider without an HCP have the gun on his person, or must it be stowed somewhere?