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bigpa:_____________ We used to shoot 223 boltguns with 1 in 12 twists when the best 22 caliber bullets 52 to 55 grain. They would shoot like a house a fire; usually you could lay a dime over a 5 shot group from 100 yards from a good solid bench with a 12 or so power scope. I would try the 62 grain bullets (...just as Dave said above....); as a 62 grain bullet aint that much heavier, and a 1to 10 twist is just a bit faster than the ole 1 in 12 and a bit slower that the "optimum" 1 in 9 that lots of the ar guys use (...includin me...). My guess is that you will get good results because the Sig guys are engineers as well as manufacturers and have probably looked at this pretty hard. There is a definite relation between velocity, diameter, bullet length (....diameter and bullet length determine bullet weight to a large extent....) and twist rate. I would suspect that the Sig guys have looked into all this and everything should be cool. Ya may have to play around a bit to find the "just right' load for your rifle, but that's part of the fun of shootin. Have fun and let us know how this turns out. leroy

I agree. We used to use it "back in the day" to bed our bolt rifles. It's good to work with. There's a 300 win mag 40x single shot bolt gun in our gun safe that was bedded with devcon and it's shot hundreds if not a few thousand rounds. It's still solid as a rock and very accurate. leroy

I love them Spikes lowers!! Keep up the good work. leroy

Nik:____ If we chose to go to one or two shows a year; the first one would be the semiannual gunshow in Birmingham. It is huge and it has everything. I would watch the gunshow listings to see when the dates are; as i think it's a semi-annual show. We would go to the spring show which is in March (...i think...). We are from east tennessee and you could put six or our usual Knoxville or Kingsport RK show layouts in the Birmingham show. It is held in the downtown convention center. You have individuals and dealers from florida to kentucky west to texas. It is a great show. We went down to find old shotguns one year and came back with two; a us marked model 97 riot and a side hammer 1983 (...or 1887...) Remington hammer double. The whole gamut is there from shotguns, to colt single actions, to smiths, to rugers; and everything else in between. It is well worth the trip. As to the others, i really like the local shows in the national guard armories and smaller venues put on by the local gun collecting and shooting guys. Ya get lots of individual sellers who sometimes want to sell some pretty neat stuff. Watch for the smaller shows which are in a reasonable driving distance of your place. Hope this helps a bit. leroy

K19 has hit a homerun here! Remember the old German Freikorps directive: "...better to shoot a few innocents than to let one guilty get away!!...". We could use a good house cleaning sweepin everything out; both good and bad. It would do wonders for the country and the political class. Keep up the good work! leroy

Link; i think ya need to lighten up a bit. I said none of those things and do not need to defend against them. I didnt know you wuz nominated as my official conscience. As the great seargent Hulka said in "Stripes":...."...lighten up francis!!...". There aint no "thought police" here (...yet anyway....); and youre out of line tryin to be them. Hope this clears up any misunderstandin leroy

I bet gunpowder is the perfect antidote for "Knockout King". Like Matt says: "...What if the first attacker goes down?!...". Keep up the good work. leroy

Thanks DMark and Robert, i understand. Thanks again leroy

They (...the Asian leaders...) are too busy workin, mining their business, and bein productive man!! That's why they dont cause any trouble. The job of the "black and hispanic" leaders dont work. Therefore they can devote their full energies to opening their traps to say stupid things. leroy

david: Ya make a great point here. I've wondered this myself. If ya take the time to read how the Israelis do it; it's completely different from our system. The Israeli's are masters of this stuff. They live with real threats every day. Our gubment has created an ineffective, bloated bureauracy that is destined to fail because it is operated by "politically correct" rules. My take is that it is lots safer to pat down well known polititians, babies, and old ladies than it is mullahs and young middle eastern men. The cryin shame of all this is that both parties went along with this heinous and idiotic scheme under the guise of "making us all safer". I say "baloney". leroy

I always wanted a pair myself; but was too stingy to fork over the cash for them. I cant wait to hear "progress reports" once ya break em in. I think they are probably the best forestry, logging type boots out there. As close as i ever came to them were Red Wing lineman's boots. They were heavy, but good boots. My guess is that they aint close to bein in the same league with the White's boots. Let us know how they are workin out. leroy

JAB, your point in the first paragraph of post #23 is well founded and i aint tryin to beat ya up. There is, indeed, a sympathy felt for this poor woman, as well as others thoroughout history, like the Kennedys. Arizona is a hotly contested state; and that was the point i was makin. There was no intent to "rebuff" but, instead, to put forth a political proposition, just as you have done. Arizona has some problems that we can begin to imagine. Among them are the problems down on the border where old time ranchers are afraid of getting killed by coyotes and drug runners; the radical La Raza movement that postulates that Kalefornia, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas were "stolen" from the mexican people (...which, by the way, i think we can probably quibble about a bit, but not now...) and should be turned into a soverign mexican state and the "anglos' thrown out; an overload of illegals swallowing up tax dollars and overloading government services such as schools, etc, on and on. ... Arizona district 8 contains both rural border territory as well as metro areas. That always makes for an interesting mix on politics. Additionally, i believe that political control of Arizona is being hotly contested between the Nobama administration on the one hand and the republicans on the other with governor Jan Brewer. Arizona is, for the most part, a republican state. The nobama administrations goals are on trial in arizona, and it looks pretty much to me like the arizona electorate is siding with Jan Brewer. It's my observation that the Giffords elections (...two terms...) were won based on a combination of Ms. Giffords wonderful persona, her claim to be a "conservative democrat", and a ton of outside the state demorat money. All this was done to beat a homeboy who had no real political machine behind him. I firmly believe that voters are not as stupid as many of us political junkies and career political operatives may think. Americans are kind, but they also have eyes; and i believe that the average voter in Ms. Gifford's district were (...and are...) waking up. Take a look at the votes in the 2006 vs 2010 election in that district and you can see what im sayin. Another thing that is goin on here is that this particular district includes the city of Tuscon and the University of Arizona is very near (...or may be in...) this district. All this stuff came together to give a demorat win in 2006 and 2010, but just barely. RE: The Kennedy thing. I still remember when JFK was shot (...i was 18 years old...) and i remember being at home sick. JFK also had a great clarisma as well as some degree of competence (...quite unlike most of the demorats today...). He was much closer to todays "big government republican" (...think George Bush here...) than he was a democrat; and that seemed to be the norm in those days. He was a reasonably conservative fiscal conservative and was strongly pro american. In all honesty, i do not believe that JFK could be in the demorat party today; he would have to be a republican. Look what they did to Joe Lieberman. I believe JFK's manner, charm, and confidence came together to capture the imagination of the american electorate like no other figure in the 20th century in america. That is why he is so revered today. JFK's coattails and this memory (...both real and imagined...) were big enough to last for over 60 years; and that is, indeed, powerful sfuff. This "JFK" nostalga and aura; the JFK Coattails, if you will; has covered some horrible atrocities. JFK's brothers (...Teddy, RFK...) and his kinsmen that came after him were for the most part reprobate socialist pygmies; but that didnt seem to matter to the new england electorate and to the contry at large. JFK still looms larger than life in the minds of many. Hope this little epistle gives ya a bit of insight both into my little view of politics and political history. leroy

Alexander is the republican equivalent of Albert Gore Senior. He has built a diverse enough base to offend some of us with impunity. I have absolutely no use for alexander other than he is a mean-spirited and ruthless polititian when he sets his mind to it. He is a case-book study in how to defeat, completely disarm, and jail your political opponents. He decimated the old time "blue dog" demorat political machine in tennessee when he won the governorship against Butcher in 1978. He then proceeded to put his political enemies and their contributors in jail if possible. He is, indeed, a hard and unreasonable man when he puts his mind to it. I believe that alexander truly believes that he is, in fact, "...the best and brightest among us..." and, as such, he does not need any input from us "delightful rustics". That's the reason some of us get these condescending e-mails explaining some silly position that he takes from time to time. I just got one about the XL Pipeline that simply regurgitated what the deal was on the pipeline and has some baloney about a 50% reduction in petroleum use from using electric cars to boot. The good news is that you can, in fact, enrage the electorate enough to be thrown out of office. Thats exactly what happened to ole Al Senior. He voted for the infamous gun control act of 1968. He was kicked out although he was a firmly entrenched, powerful, monied, incumbent "new deal demorat" in a "new deal demorat" state. In those days, there were no republicans west of the Tennessee River at loudoun. Alexander is a bunch smarter than ole Al was, but i thoroughly agree with OS's analysis above. Let's hope that old age, infirmity, and the prospect of the grisly reaper work together to remove ole lamar pretty quickly, as he is no spring chicken. My prediction is that we will put up with him for no more than one more term; then his precious child Bill "Snozz" Haslam with ascend the throne. From where i sit, it wont come soon enough. leroy

Thanks Robert. I spent a bunch of time workin for a company that did "random parking lot searches." The company had a list of "prohibited items"; among them guns, drugs, stolen stuff, etc. ..... The real story was that the searches were not random; they were based on suspictions and tips (...or even vendettas, im sure....). Submitting to searches was a "condition of employment", so there was no question as to whether they could do a search or not. I completely forgot about the "military base" thing. It makes a bunch more sense there. Thanks for takin the time to answer. leroy

Noticed the posts about vehicle search at the NG armories. What is the basis for the search? Thanks leroy

Thanks for posting this article. There is no doubt that it is being spun by the demorats as a battle between "kindness and reasonability toward latinos" vs the "mean spirited imperialistic anglos" in arizona. Arizona has some interesting problems that we simply dont see here, and i believe Jan Brewer is doing a great job with them against some pretty serious opposition from the federal gubment. I'm with her, i think there ought to be lots more straight talk and finger pointing; it tends to clear the air a bit. I say, keep up the good work Jan! leroy

That's real shootin brother!! Sounds like the holder and the rifle are workin about as well as the purty bullets!! eep up the good work! leroy

Crimson makes a great point in the post above (...post #38, and others...). I think that one of the things that is happening this time in the republican primary is that the "rank and file" republican voters are revolting and the inside the beltway bluenoses are upset about it. I think that is a good thing. The establishment republican operatives better be careful here, or they will consign themselves to the scrap heap of history and will morph into the demorat party. The ground is fertile for a genuine conservative party that believes in smaller government, that the constitution means exactly what it says, and that work is honorable. Folks are tired of being put upon by both parties. leroy

In order to stir this hornet's nest up again, lest we forget what kind of polititian Ms. Giffords is, and to do a bit of analysis as to "electibility" based on other than her unfortunate situation; let's take a look at her history of contributors. It always gives some interestin insight in to what folks believe. I lifted this from Gabrielle Giffords: Campaign Finance/Money - Top Donors - Representative Career | OpenSecrets ... . Top Contributors Representative Gabrielle Giffords [TABLE=class: tablesorter] [TR] [TH=class: header]Contributor [/TH] [TH=class: header]Total [/TH] [TH]Indivs [/TH] [TH]PACs [/TH] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]EMILY's List [/TD] [TD=class: number]$165,033 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$150,108 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$14,925 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]University of Arizona [/TD] [TD=class: number]$128,550 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$128,550 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte [/TD] [TD=class: number]$111,483 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$111,483 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]Lewis & Roca [/TD] [TD=class: number]$57,411 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$57,411 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]Pederson Group [/TD] [TD=class: number]$57,300 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$57,300 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]Apollo Group [/TD] [TD=class: number]$49,293 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$41,793 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$7,500 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]AmeriPAC: The Fund for a Greater America [/TD] [TD=class: number]$41,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$1,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$40,000 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]League of Conservation Voters [/TD] [TD=class: number]$40,158 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$27,193 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$12,965 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]New Democrat Coalition [/TD] [TD=class: number]$40,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$40,000 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]PAC to the Future [/TD] [TD=class: number]$40,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$40,000 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]Calendar Club [/TD] [TD=class: number]$39,900 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$39,900 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]Raytheon Co [/TD] [TD=class: number]$37,600 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$14,600 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$23,000 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers [/TD] [TD=class: number]$35,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$35,000 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]National Air Traffic Controllers Assn [/TD] [TD=class: number]$35,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$35,000 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees [/TD] [TD=class: number]$34,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$1,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$33,000 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]National Education Assn [/TD] [TD=class: number]$34,000 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$34,000 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]Fennemore Craig PC [/TD] [TD=class: number]$32,700 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$32,700 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]American Federation of Teachers [/TD] [TD=class: number]$32,500 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$32,500 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rowTint] [TD]Carpenters & Joiners Union [/TD] [TD=class: number]$32,500 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$32,500 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: odd] [TD]International Assn of Fire Fighters [/TD] [TD=class: number]$32,500 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$0 [/TD] [TD=class: number]$32,500 [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Just a few observations. Emily's list: Pro-abortion women. ....University of Arizona: Needs no explanation.... Demorats Congressional Campaign Committee: Again, needs no explanation. ..... About $200K from various union brotherhoods. .... ---LATE EDIT: PAC to the future: Nancy Pelosi. Noted demorat operative in congress. .... AmeriPAC: Stenny Hoyer, considently, another demorat luminary and congressman to boot. Grabrielle Giffords is a delightful, winsome, and recently very corageous woman whose politics are run of the mill demorat; depending on special interest groups and outside dollars to hold a political office. She is what she is. Being "never forgetting partizan political apparatajic" that i am; I will grant that she didnt deserve shooting. Neither did the other folks who were killed, including a child and a federal judge (....eighteen others shot, six died....). It's ok to have compation on others. It aint ok to believe that they are something they are not. There are those who say "Dear Sweet Brother Barak" (....as the great Rev. Louis Farakhan says...) is a very personable and windsome individual. That trait, while very winsome and delightful, does not erase nor excuse his political views and actions. leroy

Mike:____________ Lotta cabbage for a bunch of bullets. Cant wait to get the field accuracy reports. Keep up the good work. leroy

For the most part,; i dont believe that you can say "polititian" and "ethics" and they modify eachother in a positive way. Havin said that; i dont care what they have on the Nootie; i like him and i'll vote for him. It's obvious that both the dammed blue-nose republicans and the demorats are scared to death of him and i count that a good thing. I predict that by election time it will be "....anybody but nobama..." among real people. This election will be a referendum between those on the dole (...and those who want to be....) and those who think their stuff is their stuff and their business is their business. Newt well knows that. He is the smartest guy running (...in my opinion...) and i think he believes in what we would term non-socialist american values and governance. I think his message is great and it will overpower the negatives he may have. I say "bring on the suprizes and the half truths (...and the full truths, if there are any....). Go nootie!! leroy leroy

Forgot about this. Check it out. A noted black elected official takin about hoodlums ---- Philadelphia mayor talks tough to black teenagers after 'flash mobs' - Washington Times .... Here's what a noted NAACP apparatchik said about the mayor's stance: Interesting read. leroy

I think he is exactly right. We need to quit trying to please everybody, simply because you cant. The gang mothers and the race baters dont like this kind of message, and they are gonna squall anyway. Most people simply dont care anymore. Evidently Sheriff Hammond doesnt care whether they do or not. He is sending a message and i admire that. We need more of it. The gang and hoodlum element everywhere is way passed rehabilitation for the most part. Maybee some straight talk and a few trips to the funeral home will improve their behavior. Thank you Sheriff Hammond for telling the truth. We'll see what happens next. leroy

I think the GPSs ruling is interesting too. I believe the justices hit a home run with this one. We do not live in a police state (....yet, anyway...) where peoples commings and goings should be monitored by the gubment without due cause. Looks like the Fourth Amendment has been given a little bit more life. leroy

Here is the link to an interesting post from our buddies at Libertarian Republican Blog (.... Libertarian Republican: Mini-Watergate unraveling in Iowa: Higher-ups in the IA Democrat Party could be implicated ....) regarding a criminal investigation of a demorat apporagic (...read that consultant...) who seems to be involved in a smear campaign against a sitting iowa republican secretary of state. The accused guy just happens to work for a political consultant who is a nobama operative. The target of the smear was Matt Schultz, who just happens to be a supporter of strong voter ID requirements. This shows just how important the blocking of more stringent voter ID requirements is to the demorats. leroy