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  1. I went back and reviewed 39-17-13 (especially 39-17-1311) and I think the catch that allows them to post the Pigeon Forge Community Center (building) lies in the parts of 39-17-1311 that I am copying here. TN Code 39-17-1311 Carrying Weapons on Public Parks, Playgrounds, Civic Centers, and other recreational buildings and grounds (a) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed, any weapon prohibited by § Code Sec. 39-17-1302″>39-17-1302(a), not used solely for instructional, display or sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in or on the grounds of any public park, playground, civic center or other building facility, area or property owned, used or operated by any municipal, county or state government, or instrumentality thereof, for recreational purposes. Then I am skipping a bunch of definitions and subsections that I don't think apply to this situation at PF Community Center building. And. Copying section (b) (1) and (H) of that while skipping other sections (A) thru (G) -- next. (b) (1) The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to the following persons: (H) Persons possessing a handgun, who are authorized to carry the handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351, while within or on a public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality or instrumentality thereof, except as otherwise provided in subsection (d); The catch comes in the "except as otherwise provided in subsection (d)" which I am copying -- next. (d) Notwithstanding subdivision (b)(1)(H), any municipality or county may prohibit, by resolution adopted by a majority vote of its legislative body, persons authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351, from possessing the handgun while within or on a public park that is owned or operated by a county, a municipality or instrumentality thereof. If a legislative body elects to prohibit the possession of handguns within a park, the prohibition shall apply to the entire park, notwithstanding subdivision (b)(1)(H). If the area is jointly owned or operated by municipalities or counties, then a resolution adopted by a majority vote of all affected legislative bodies, voting individually, is necessary for the municipalities or counties to prohibit persons authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351 from possessing the handgun while within the park. All that said -- it is still unclear because in the (a) they also mention buildings used for recreational purposes (be a Community Center I think) -- then they drop those words from the exceptions in (b) (1)(h) and in (d). I am not a lawyer and DANG glad I did not have to deal with all this "legalize" during my career - no wonder they do so much double talk (at least the ones on TV Talk Shows). Do wish someone that really understands the laws would clear it up or sue 'em for reward of 3 times lawyer fees.
  2. Interesting Convention Center is no "No Weapon" and Community Center is "No Weapon". I have a difficult time going thru all the legalize with references to other sections (very confusing). I do think this part of the new "Thingy passed July 2017" gives them an out. The SECTION 3 (BOLD below) has exceptions (1) except as provided in subdivision (g)(2) etc., etc., etc. --- I think this part of (g)(2) (that section is in another part of this topic that I posted earlier) may be is what allows them to do the No Weapons" (2) Subdivision (g)(1) does not apply to: (A) Facilities that are licensed under title 33, 37, or 68; (B) Property on which firearms are prohibited by S 39-17-1309 or S 39-17-1313 etc., etc., etc. --- I need to go back and read thru that 39-17-1309 and 39-17-1311 again (or the rest pf 39-17-13 ). SECTION 3. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1359, is amended by adding the following new subsection (g): (1) Except as provided in subdivision (g)(2), nothing in this section shall authorize an entity of local government or a permittee thereof to enact or enforce a prohibition or restriction on the possession of a handgun by a handgun carry permit holder on property owned or administered by the entity unless the following are provided at each public entrance to the property: (A) Metal detection devices, (B) At least one (1) law enforcement or private security officer who has been adequately trained to conduct inspections of persons entering the property by use of metal detection devices; and (C) That each person who enters the property through the public entrance when the property is open to the public and any bag, package, and other container carried by the person is inspected by a law enforcement or private security officer described in subdivision (gX1XB) or an authorized representative with the authority to deny entry to the property.
  3. Can't Attach Pictures or Files

    Thanks Oh Shoot. I figured something like that and did search GOOGLE for IMGUR and found the site. I looked at it some. I did not try to upload any yet, may give it a try. I guess it is either that or not worry about pictures on this web site. At least now I know what the problem was and how to do it. FOR INFO: I do a lot of MC Riding and take pictures of scenery, roads, and about everything interesting while riding. I post on a web site www.EastTNBikers.com ride reports, they have a great website for posting pictures. You just write what you want to say, then click attachments and call up like 20 lines for attaching - click those lines and search your computer files and attach your pictures one at a time. Up to so many total MBytes (I usually limit that to 20 pictures per reply). Another web site I use KIA NIRO for a car is sort of like that. Anyway, never used any outside storage to send pictures. Maybe, try IMGUR - see one can keep them private or I think present them in sort of a report. Depending on how long it takes to upload a picture or a file of pictures on IMUGR I may not want to take time to post all my pictures on there. However, the MC Rides might be of interest to anyone planning a trip to East Tn for a ride if could also present a report with them.
  4. Can't Attach Pictures or Files

    I went to DaveTN 's post about IMGUR and procedure to then get picture into a post. What I did did not work, think because I do not know how to use IMGUR? Anyone have a step by step procedure to sue IMGUR? Like: What is it? Do you have to send all your pictures there to start with? If so, how do you sent the pictures.
  5. HOW TO POST A PICTURE WITH IMGUR

    I see now I did not understand the first step (Click the COPY next to DIRECT LINK). I was in my computer files looking at an Image and right clicked that image. Then clicked COPY. There is not a Direct Link line. Apparently the image you are clicking is in some other web site IMGUR as you mentioned IMGUR in opening statement. How do you use IMGUR? Send all your pictures there first?
  6. HOW TO POST A PICTURE WITH IMGUR

    I will "try" that. Life is becoming to "Techie" for an 80 yr old. :-) EDIT: I tried to post a picture here as a test, procedure did not work for me. Prbably something I didn't do? Nothing changed in the box (URL ADDRESS BOX) when I tried to "Paste" address from computer using CTRL and V keys. Also, tried using the "Paste" under "Edit" on my computer.
  7. GSG (German Sport Gun) 1911 22LR Bought / Shot Today

    QUOTE -- heres pics (see above by SonnyCrockett). That is something -- very scary (makes me wonder if I should shoot mine again?). What did ATI (GSG) do for you? Not sure a replacement would be the answer?
  8. pic test

    Pictures are good. Do you know what size (KB or MCs) the files were before you posted them.
  9. Barrel Crown ???? Sorry, not familiar with the term, is that the end of barrel where the projectile exits. I don't visibly seen any damage there if that is the case.
  10. Photos sizes

    I use FOTOSIZER to downsize Photos once they are laded from my camera to the computer. Generally, 900 x yyyy pixels or about 150KB maximum and they are big enpught for web sites. Taht said, I have not been able to choose any files lately.
  11. Recently, I am not able to attach files (pictures mostly and last was PDF file). That after reducing file sizes (pictures) to less than 7MB (7MB is stated below as a MAX). Typically, I reduce picture files to around 15KB range using FOTOSIZER program. I get various messages and a note to contact us. EX: just tired to choose a file (a PDF of like 165 KB) and got a MSG (not verbatim, but something like this): There was a problem uploading the file -- please contact us for assistance.
  12. here are E Mails (two of them) I sent regarding No Weapons at the Pigeon Forge Community Center. Seems to me to be in conflict with the "Thing" that was passed July 1, 2017. I call it a "Thing" cause I don't understand all this legalese about Public Chapters ( think it is an amendment). The most aggravating part about the whole thing is that I DID NOT get a response from the officials. 2nd Letter (E Mail) - sent when I did not get a response from the 1st Letter (E Mail) Cityhall@cityofpigeonforgeTN.gov, parksrec@cityofpigeonforgetn.gov Sent: 1/30/2018 11:21:07 AM Eastern Standard Time Subject: Concern Regarding Weapon Not Allowed Sign at the Community Center (2nd attempt) Guess no one cares enough to answer my question sent in a previous E Mail? Attaching Public Chapter 467 that affects signs such as your 39-17-1359 sign on the Community Center. NOTE; (This in Bold Face I did not send to them as was not aware that I amy have made an error at the time). I may have quoted 39-17-1359 in error, thinking their sign may have a reference to 39-17-13. I ADD there is a provision that the Chapter 467 "Thingy" does not apply to certain provisions for No Weapons in 39-17-13. Chapter 467 also has an amendment to 39-17-1314 which deals with recovery (something about 3 times the lawyers fees). As I see it, the sign should not be there unless you also have metal detectors and security for protection of visitors. I would appreciate a response. Paul 1st Letter (E Mail) In a message dated 1/22/2018 10:35:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Paul writes: A state law was passed that public facilities either allow carry by Concealed Carry Permit Holders or supply security and metal detectors. I still see the sign prohibiting weapons at the community center. Can you please explain the justification for not removing the sign? Paul I could not attach the PDF File - so I copied and pasted it here. PUBLIC CHAPTER NO.467 HOUSE BILL NO.5O8 By Representatives Lamberth, Holt, Casada, Williams, Eldridge, Rogers, Halford, Faison, Goins, Farmer, Dawn White, Hawk, Butt, Littleton, Goley, Matheny, Pody, Rudd, Powers, Van Huss, Matthew Hill, Timothy Hill, Ragan, Jerry Sexton, Terry, Gravitt, Byrd, Kumar, Sanderson, Grawford, Weaver, Matlock, Daniel, Zachary, Reedy, Sherrell, Gant Substituted for: Senate Bill No.445 By Senators Stevens, Bailey, Bowling AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 29, Chapter 20 and Title 39, Chapter 17, Parl13, relative to firearms. BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE: SECTION 1, Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1314, is amended by adding the following as new subsections: (g) (1) Notwithstanding title 29, chapter 20, a party who is adversely affected by an ordinance, resolution, policy, rule, or other enactment that is adopted or enforced by a county, city, town, municipality, or metropolitan government or any local agency, department, or official that violates this section may file an action in a court of competent jurisdiction against the county, city, town, municipality, or metropolitan government for: (A) Declaratory and injunctive relief; and (B) Damages, as provided in subsection (i). (2) This subsection (g) shall apply to any ordinance, resolution, policy, rule, or other enactment that is adopted or enforced on or after July 1 ,2017 . (h) As used in subsection (g), a party is "adversely affected" if: (1) The party is an individualwho (A) Lawfully resides within the United States; (B) May legally possess a firearm under Tennessee law; and (C) ls or was subject to the ordinance, resolution, policy, rule, or other enactment that is the subject of an action filed under subsection (g). An individual is or was subject to the ordinance, resolution, policy, rule, or other enactment if the individual is or was physically present within the boundaries of the political subdivision for any reason; or (2) The party is a membership organization that: (A) lncludes two (2) or more individuals described in subdivision (h)(1); and (B) ls dedicated in whole or in part to protecting the rights of persons who possess, own, or use firearms for competitive, sporting, defensive, or other lawful purposes. (i) A prevailing plaintiff in an action under subsection (g) is entitled to recover from the county, city, town, municipality, or metropolitan government the following: HB 508 (1) The greater of: (A) Actual damages, including consequential damages, attributable to the ordinance, resolution, policy, rule, or other enactment; or (B) Three (3) times the plaintiffs attorney's fees; (2) Court costs, including fees; and (3) Reasonable attorney's fees; provided, that attorney's fees shall not be awarded under this subdivision (i)(3) if the plaintiff recovers under subdivision (ix1xB) SECTION 2. Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 29, Chapter 20, Part 2, is amended by adding the following as a new section: lmmunity from suit of all governmental entities is removed for causes of action brought under S 39-1 7-1 31a(g)-(i). SECTION 3. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1359, is amended by adding the following new subsection (g): (1) Except as provided in subdivision (g)(2), nothing in this section shall authorize an entity of local government or a permittee thereof to enact or enforce a prohibition or restriction on the possession of a handgun by a handgun carry permit holder on property owned or administered by the entity unless the following are provided at each public entrance to the property: (A) Metal detection devices, (B) At least one (1) law enforcement or private security officer who has been adequately trained to conduct inspections of persons entering the property by use of metal detection devices; and (C) That each person who enters the property through the public entrance when the property is open to the public and any bag, package, and other container carried by the person is inspected by a law enforcement or private security officer described in subdivision (gX1XB) or an authorized representative with the authority to deny entry to the property. NOTE: Perhaps one of these gives them the right to post a sign. ?????????? (2) Subdivision (g)(1) does not apply to: (A) Facilities that are licensed under title 33, 37, or 68; (B) Property on which firearms are prohibited by S 39-17-1309 or S 39-17- 1311(bxlXHXii); (C) Property on which firearms are prohibited by S 39-17-1306 at alltimes regardless of whether judicial proceedings are in progress; (D) Buildings that contain a law enforcement agency, as defined in $ 39- 13-519; (E) Libraries; or (F) Facilities that are licensed by the department of human services, under title 71, chapter 3, part 5, and administer a Head Start program. SECTION 4. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1359(Ð, is amended by deleting the language "This section shall not apply to" and substituting instead the language "Except as provided in subsection (g), this section shall not apply to". SECTION 5. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1306(a), is amended by deleting the word "room" and substituting instead the word "building". 2 HB 508 SECTION 6. This act shall take effect July 1 ,2017, the public welfare requiring it
  13. Latest is I called Heritage Customer Service to discuss the 22 Revolver Keyholing problem. Informed them I am pretty sure it does better with lower Velocity AMMO (used Standard 1070), but do see some keyholing occasionally. Also, have seen High Velocity AMMO does not keyhole every round. I mainly wanted to see if they have had experiences with keyholing on the 22LR Heritage Revolver and if they recommend Standard Velocity over High Velocity AMMO. Sum it up by saying the representative did not indicate keyholing to be a known historic problem. He actually put me on hold to research a bit and came back to say 'they test with AMMO in 36 to 37 Grain range and should be OK up to 13xx Feet Per Second (forget the xx value he mentioned). NOTE: Personally, I don't remember seeing or buying anything but 35 or 40 grain and in range of 1070 FPS (CCI) up to 1280 FPS (CCI). My AMMO on hand shows 40 Grain (I think I have had 35 Grain at times) and Velocity from 1070 to 1235 to 1280 FPS. He said any of that AMMO should be OK. They are welling to take the gun in and look at it. I decided to let it ride and see how it does in future, if it gets worse, I will send it in. PS: I am OK with Low Velocity AMMO for targets except it costs more (like $0.02 to $0.03 per round more). EX: Bought some CCI Low Velocity (1070 FPS) for $6.99 plus tax for 100 rounds (that be $0.75 + per round) VS been getting higher velocity for as low as $0.04 per round (friend and I split a 2500 round sale on Blazer (CCI) for $99.95 -- 1250 rounds for $50. Typically find stuff for $0.05+ per round.
  14. GSG (German Sport Gun) 1911 22LR Bought / Shot Today

    DANG !!! That is scary.

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