TGO David

The only thing better than shooting a quality, hand built 1911 has to be shooting a quality, hand built 1911 while simultaneously having sex, sipping a single malt whiskey, and smoking a hand rolled Cuban cigar. That's the only way it could possibly get any better or any more testosterone infused. I wonder if the RSOs at Stones River would complain about that.

You... DICK.

Cliffs Notes: Buy one. Sell a kidney, liquidate your savings, trade off a car, conscript your children into slavery... just do it somehow. Holy cow this is a shooter's gun! Yes, it is possible to be just as accurate with a Kimber but none of my Kimbers had the same solidity in my hand that the Wilson does. I'm not knocking Kimber at all. I loved my CDP. But this is just something else. It's on another level and that's not just marketing hype. There really is a lot to be said about a 1911 that is assembled by hand, fitted by hand, and has had someone's heart and passion put into it on the gunsmith bench. My first round was the harbinger of things to come. I ran the target out to 14 yds, lined up the dots and watched as a .45 caliber hole magically appeared in the dead center of the B12 target's red spot. I exhaled, drew in another breath, lined up the sight and caressed the trigger. The hole grew slightly more jagged and about half again it's own diameter. I could feel my grin spreading. The only "flyer" that I encountered was me over-anticipating the recoil. It only went 2-inches to the left and low. Still more than close enough to do the job in a fight. The next 50 rounds cut a jagged fist-sized hole through the center of the target. By the time I was done, there wasn't much left of the red zone. I had managed to obliterate it and a good portion of the 10-ring between the 7 and 8 o'clock positions. The rest of my 100 round box of ammo was spent on two more targets, playing with head shots, COM shots and double-taps. The gun ran like a finely tuned machine. But hey... surprise! It is one! I want another Wilson now. No... I need another one now. One isn't enough. The bobtail will undoubtedly get lonely and long for another 1911 to talk to. I need a Government length CQB. Joe's going to own me by the time I get this itch scratched.

Welcome! We can certainly help you on the buying of, use of and talking about guns.

YES... we're still doing this and I just edited the first post in this thread with all of the details http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=39348&postcount=1

I like it.

Hey Ron! Good to see you over here.

I like how you think. It's identical to my own philosophy. Don't carry and drink. An officer might forgive you for accidentally carrying, but he's less likely to forgive you for that transgression if you're partaking. I've never tested this theory, but I've had more than one pro-carry LEO tell me that this is how he would handle it so long as the transgressor handled the encounter maturely. I always have a knife.

Glad to have you over here with us, Tom. Colder weather seems to bring out the desire to go shooting for some reason. I guess it's the idea of being able to do something like this at an indoor range where it's warmer inside than it is outside.

I gather he was emphasizing the apartment complex setting because of the close proximity of one person's living space to the next person's living space. You really don't want to be shooting something that would over-penetrate in a setting like that. .357 Magnum or .357 SIG would be really bad choices. A 9mm may not be such a bad idea if you're shooting light loads with high expansion characteristics. You want the projectile to stop inside the bad guy anyway, but you definitely want it to shed a ton of velocity when it hits something like drywall or other construction materials. I'm still saying she would probably be very well served with a .38 caliber revolver of some sort. Because she mentioned wanting to carry it in her pocket while walking the dog, a J-Frame with enclosed hammer makes a lot of sense to me. A 9mm would be another option but a lot of female shooters have difficulty manipulating the slide on automatics because of having weaker wrists / forearms than their male counterparts. Also many female shooters find it difficult to load ammunition into magazines. My wife had problems with both of these things with her Smith & Wesson M&P 9C. In retrospect, she probably should have gotten a small revolver instead.

Welcome!

But I'll take one of these too...

" You forgot to post pictures of your new weapon, jackhole!!! "

THAT just happened.

Pshhh... you were a cop, so I'm not even going to talk about how well some of the boys in blue shoot. Oh, ok. I lied. Have you seen how badly some of those guys shoot?!?

Well, that's what *I* carry... Remember kids, a 9mm is just a .45 set on "Stun" I kid, I kid.

You don't eat pulled pork BBQ?

You could buy that one you know.

Play nice. With proper instruction and a little self-confidence, Sarah could easily carry and learn to enjoy shooting a 1911. As DaveTN pointed out, the only negligence here was on the part of the gunshop dweebus. When I taught my 13 year old son to shoot the 1911, I taught him in baby steps: 1st step - Dry fire 2nd step - Live fire, one round in the chamber, safety on. 3rd step - Live fire, one in the chamber, one in the mag, safety on. 4th step - Live fire, one in the chamber, two in the mag, safety on. 5th step - Live fire, chamber empty, one in the mag, safety on. 6th step - Live fire, chamber empty, two in the mag, safety on. ... progressively more ammo in the mag, empty chamber, safety on. This helped him acclimate to the function of the 1911 design and gave him confidence before exposing him to additional motor-functions like racking the slide to chamber a round. He did very well and never put an AD down range. It's all about baby steps. You don't take a new shooter and turn them loose and expect good things to happen.

The question is... did Sasquatch survive this encounter or did your friend Gil manage to take him out?

I would strongly encourage you to rent or borrow and shoot a .38 Special revolver of some sort at this point. I would also strongly encourage you to not give much consideration to the idea of carrying a .22, .25, .32 or even .380 for self defense. Those calibers just are not sufficient for the job. A .38 Special cartridge is essentially the same as a 9mm Parabellum. The 9mm is just made to be fed through an automatic handgun. You will find that while those two cartridges have a little "pop" to them, the recoil is much lighter than you will encounter with the other calibers that have been suggested to you thus far. You do not need a .40 SW or a .357 Magnum no matter what anyone else says. Not at this point at least.

Santa Fett is bringing a sack full of pain and suffering.

It should be. I really haven't got much planned on Saturday except to help TGO'er "Easily Obsessed" put that Kimber magwell on his 1911. That won't take but a few minutes. Were you thinking morning or afternoon? Oh and to the East TN crowd who keeps jeering at us... don't make us come over there!

Notwithstanding is the one word that makes me very nervous in that verbiage. I'm not so sure I'd want to be the first person to test the waters just to see what it means either.

And buy the SIG 229 .357 that my brother had me drop off there last weekend.