deerslayer

And you trust that all your fellow gunowners will follow this rule religiously? One sip of one drink can get you a DUI. You don't necessarily have to be .08 BAC to go downtown. BAC is only one of several tests an officer may use to determine if you are impaired. You tried your friend's girly-fruity drink, got rear-ended on the way home, cop smelled the fruity drink, you passed the breathalizer but looked suspicious when touching your nose or walking the straight line but turned left instead of right. Far-fetched, right? It happens all the time. Hell, my dad had a brain tumor and lost his right auditory nerve, which sometimes messes with his balance and coordination. He wouldn't be able to pass all the field sobriety tests with or without a drink. But I'm sure all cops would buy his story. My point is that everyone knows that one sip or even one drink can't get you a DUI, right? Wrong. I bet that many will assume that one drink will be negligible and nothing to worry about while carrying.

I think the "age restricted venue" part was removed somewhere along the way.

I think what I'm trying to say, and haven't articulated very well so far, is this: I fully support our right to go to a restaurant that serves alcohol, not drink, and carry. I believe those going to a bar or night club are much more likely to drink, fight, or find trouble, whether it is illegal or not. Night club patrons are barred by law to drive after drinking, but this is violated on a massive scale. I doubt they would adhere to the "no gun while drinking" provision, either. Therefore, our reputations and rights as HCP holders would be better served if night club patrons left their guns at home. Punish all bar patrons because of what some of them will do? You bet. Ah, deerslayer, but can't someone go to Red Lobster and get tanked and do the same thing? Of course, but it's much less likely to happen. It's a risk I'm willing to take in order to be able to legally carry into restaurants. Go to Red Lobster and see how many people are drinking. Now go to a night club and see how many are drinking. I fear that the guy in Red Lobster will lose his rights sooner or later because of the idiots in the night clubs. Does this make any sense?

I find this hard to believe, but if it's true, I have no idea. I do know that lots of folks are indifferent to driving after drinking. It would be naive to believe that everyone will follow the law if they are planning to go to a night club. Simply citing them and taking their permit is not as easy as it sounds--how do we know they have a permit until after they've done something stupid? DUIs and alcohol-related weapons violations can have different consequences. If someone gets a DUI, it won't make it more difficult for me to keep my driver's license. If an HCP holder goes to a club, gets tanked, and shoots someone (whether in self-defense or otherwise), the backlash may be intolerable.

Probably every state has DUI laws on the books, and probably every state has DUIs. We sound very similar--I'll only drink at home, or while sitting at a campfire where my bed is only a few feet away. I don't hide my gun in my car, but I don't go downtown, either. Serpas probably does have beer in his fridge and does know that guns and alcohol don't mix, but he is a police chief and is not likely to get arrested for the same things that you and I are.

If it were a right, why do pay a fee to the state for it? I'm not saying I like this--there's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is.

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Since some people act stupid after they drink, I don't think we should make it perfectly legal for them to go to their local watering hole while armed and naively expect them to not drink. If this is allowed, I fear that some bar patron will inevitably become a criminal, and do us unrecoverable damage in the process. Hopefully I am wrong.

Absolutely not, but why make it legal for the HCP holders with 1.5 digit IQs to possibly jeapordize our (fragile IMO) HCP privileges? Find the average BAC of patrons driving themselves home from bars, and I bet an alarming percentage of them would not be law-abiding. An alarming percentage of them would be armed, too. This is not something that might happen; it's something that already happens. Taking the wife and kid to the local Mexican restaurant and packing to prevent a parking lot assault or worse is no comparison to drinking in a bar while packing a pistol. I have no problem banning HCPs in bars, not because it simply won't affect me, but because I don't think there is any good reason to go to a bar, armed or not (again, the fuddy-duddy factor is in play here).

It is and will continue to be against the law for a person to be intoxicated while driving. Thank God that law has never been broken

It's by far the best 1911 $1000 can buy. Hell, maybe the best 1911 $2000 can buy. This particluar gun was a 9mm, which is what I would buy for IDPA. All the Trojans I've seen outshoot and run more reliably than Wilsons, Nighthawks, and especially Kimbers. Making the switch to a 1911 will be a lot work for me--I'm so used to Glock triggers, reset, and controls. I haven't decided to do it, but if I do, an STI will be the only gun worth considering. I can't explain how much better I think they are than most other 1911s. I still wouldn't drop the slide on an empty chamber, though.

I'm a little late on this, but I'll put in my .02 anyway. Sorry to disappoint, but I agree somewhat with DaveTN (sign of the apocalypse). I'm all for carrying into Red Lobster or O'Charleys, but against carrying or even being legal to carry into Billy Joe's Redneck Pool Hall or Lil Tyrone's Shake Joint. I wasn't a huge fan of the 11 p.m. curfew, but all along I was hoping for a percentage-of-revenue-from-alcohol-sales rule. That would keep it legal in said restaurants, but a no-go in "bars." It would have prevented a lot of the negative publicity HCP holders have recently gotten, as well as prevented the "guns in bars" label from developing. Guns have no business in bars. As far as I'm concerned, people have no business in bars, but my wife tells me I'm a fuddy-duddy for my age. IMO, you have no business touching a steering wheel if you touched a drink. Likewise, you have no business touching a gun if you've been drinking. I know too many people who drink, and then drive themselves home, and think nothing of it. Many people will regard carrying after drinking exactly the same way. When they get a DUI, people snicker or throw stones or say our DUI laws are messed up, etc. Lots of variety in responses. If someone gets a weapons violation (or worse) because they were drinking, everyone's reaction will be the same--"they never should have allowed 'guns in bars.'" Hell, they could do everything right, and still get the book thrown at them because they were drinking, and help paint us all as gunslinging, beer swilling rednecks. I'm with Dave--when something happens (not if), it may just cost us dearly. Hopefully it won't, but I'm nervous about the full-blown HCP-is-allowed-anywhere law that we will soon have.

Right. Abuse the piss out of a Glock and abuse the piss out of the masterpiece, and see which one hiccups first. Oh, and bring your paycheck. I borrowed an STI Trojan for an IDPA match today, since I'm considering shooting 1911s competitively in the near future. The first thing I was told by the owner was not to drop the slide on an empty chamber, because this is hard on the extractor (I knew this anyway). As for dry-firing, everyone in IDPA dry-fires their guns before reholstering. Lots of 1911s have been dry-fired 1000s of times with no damage. I would dry-fire the hell out of it and not worry.

Any idea on number of people shooting? A group from Memphis is considering going, but undecided so far.

That is a good looking set of sights--it looks a lot like a Sevigny Competition sight picture (minus the dot). I believe that is the same rear sight as the Pro Series .180 I mentioned earlier. I also like the tritium front/black rear setup for carry guns. One area of concern for me was that none of the 9mm/.40 Ameriglo (.256" or 6.5mm) rear sights were tall enough--they all shot low. It wasn't me; friends tried my guns with the same results. I put the .45 sights (.272" or 6.9mm) on a 19, 23, and 27, and they all shot dead-nuts on. YMMV.

The Comp rear sights' notch is .115 wide and .120 tall (I believe this is what it means). For some reason, they don't list the Comp's rear sight height, but it's the same as all others, and they are .250". Sevigny Competition Specifications: Front Sight: .115” wide x .215” tall, 70 LPI serrations, black oxide finish, 3/16” hex screw retention Rear Sight: .150” wide x .120” rear notch, flat back drafted surface (no distracting points, edges or serrations) with nominal 1/8” radii corners, hardened steel, black oxide finish, dovetail press fit and stainless set screw for back-up retention Made in the USA, PATENTED design Drift adjustable rear only Sevigny Competition w/fiber optic front sight Same as the “Competition”, with a fiber optic front sight. When heated, the 1mm fiber optic rod melts to a 1/16 th of an inch diameter. The top of the rod diameter and top of the front sight appear flush when aiming. Specifications: Front Sight: .115” wide x .215” tall, 70 LPI serrations, 1mm fiber optic through diameter with a .060” front counterbore, black oxide finish, 3/16” hex screw retention. Green and Red, 1mm (.040”) fiber optic rod included, approx. 2 ½” long Rear Sight: .150” wide x .120” rear notch, .250” tall, flat back drafted surface (no distracting points, edges or serrations) with nominal 1/8” radii corners, hardened steel, black oxide finish, dovetail press fit and stainless set screw for back-up retention Made in the USA, PATENTED design Drift adjustable rear only Installation recommended by a qualified gunsmith only. Sevigny Carry Same as the “Competition”, with a wider front sight and rounded outer corners on the rear sight. Specifications: Front Sight: .125” wide x .215” tall, no serrations, black oxide finish, 3/16” hex screw retention Rear Sight: .150” wide x .120” rear notch, .250” tall, flat back drafted surface (no distracting points, edges or serrations) with nominal 1/8” radii top corners, designed to be more “Carry Friendly” with rounded outer corners, hardened steel, black oxide finish, dovetail press fit and stainless set screw for back-up retention Made in the USA, PATENTED design Drift adjustable rear only Installation recommended by a qualified gunsmith only.

I have Sevigny Competition sights on my Glock 34. I'll research it to make sure, but I could almost swear that the Comps are a .150 rear/.115 front combo (much more than a .005 difference). The Sevigny Comps have a perfect sight picture on a G34, IMO. Also, the daylight will vary with sight radius. In other words, the longer the barrel, the thinner the front sight will appear. I'll double check everything, though.

Enos' website goes into uber-detail about accessories, parts, etc. Have a question about an option? His FAQs will link you to a three page thread on his forum about the subject. He also offers package deals that Dillon doesn't. As David said, you can even talk to the man himself, and he's a straight shooter. The only drawback to ordering one from him is that you will not automatically get signed up for Dillon's monthly Blue Press, but this can be remedied with a quick call to Dillon Precision. Brian Enos - Competition Shooting Books, Slide-Glide, DVDs & Reloading

What "fixins" did you get? I started to get the roller handle, but decided not to since I take my hand away from it to pick up a new case. I love the cartridge bin & bracket (about $25, IIRC), but it's not needed if you get a casefeeder. I thought of the allen wrench set and mounting bracket as more of a novelty, but got it anyway and have been thrilled that I went ahead and got it. It's handy as hell. The powder warning system is a waste to me, since it's right in front of your face. I never let my powder get less than 2" from the top anyway. MemphisMechanic recently bragged to me that he loaded 1000 rounds in 48 minutes with his 650 w/ casefeeder (after he had filled 10 primer tubes). Here's a sample of him and his 650: The 550 is slower than a 650, but it's no big deal to me. You can run out of components quickly with either one.

This thread may help you decide to get a Dillon: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/17233-big-1-dillon-precision.html

agreed...even the shipping is a good deal.

shipping?

I may be a bit leary of the earlier M&Ps, but a used Glock is just about as good as a new one. I wouldn't be afraid of a used one from Summit.

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